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What If...? |Spoiler OT| Groot Was One Of Us?
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Captain America is my least liked Avenger so I was hoping he was already dead, looks the ending of the episode implies the opposite. He's the one original Avenger that is alive which Hank didn't have to kill?
Very fun episode.
The one animated show they make is the thing i'd most like to see in live action 😕
The one animated show they make is the thing i'd most like to see in live action 😕
Because no one knew he was still alive at that point. Remember he got discovered by accident
You'll never see Hulk exploding like that on live action without getting R rating, I still can't believe they did it in animation, lol
Dunno, I'm sure he'd be super mad over knowing Thor was killed by some random Earthling
Would Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch even exist? Weren't they a byproduct of tesseract shenanigans which Loki probably still has hold of?
Nah, the mind stone, not the space stone. ie, the sceptor, not the tesserect.
That would be nice, but AoS can't really work. It would have to be set in an alternate universe - though, I would absolutely take that.
Unfortunately the budget would be astronomical. You'd get far less outlandish concepts with a far smaller cast.
That's the thing tho. You have to think about the butterfly effect of this.
- Avengers 1 shouldn't happen. Loki will get curbstumped by Carol, then locked in the Raft, with no Thor to drag him back to Asgard. He might slink away, but ultimately with no Thor the Dark Elves win, then Hella destroys everyone later.
- Age of Ultron can't happen.
- Winter Soldier will play out similarly. Falcon should still be recruited as well as Bucky, who Steve will likely seek out when Thanos invades.
-T'challa's father will have no reason to come to the US for the nonexistent Accords, as the Hulk doesn't freak out in AoU. I doubt Micheal B Jordan comes back with the King still alive. T'challa never gets his reason to step up as a leader, and never meets the Avengers.
-Dr Strange is unknown to everyone expect Thor. As the events of Ragnorok can't occur, he never meets Thor, and Heimdal never sends Banner to him. Wang and Strange are defeated, and Strange is tortured and killed for the time stone. Tho possibly, Carol could destroy the ship if she stays and is within flying distance.
With so many heroes KIA they have no chance of defeating Thanos in this reality(even with Captian Marvel) and even less of a chance of reversing the snap.
The second they said "we didn't see anyone go into Barton's room", I figured it was something Ant-Man related. Though I was wavering on whether it was Hank as Yellowjacket, or Hope became the Red Queen
Fun episode.
Fun episode.
I figured when Betty said something about the small projectile then all the kills made sense
My favorite thing about all three episodes is how they end so open-endedly. Each one feels like the Legends recap episode before the launch of a new D+ series that could go anywhere.
It's unsettling because of how it looked, the cause of how he died, and the fact that we've grown so accustomed to Hulk being indestructible that no one really expected him to be killed in that fashion.
He's the one who sent him there powerless in the first place. He'd probably feel more self-hatred and guilt than anything else.
That's the thread yes, Hope joined Shield which caused her to die which caused Hank to crazy
That's a nexus event
On the contrary... Loki rules Earth and he clearly has an Asgardian army with him. You could assume that Thor's death makes Odin go to sleep out of grief, meaning Loki is Asgard's King. Even if Odin dies at some point in the years following, Loki did tell Hela that they could come to an arrangement. Perhaps he gives her the throne of Asgard in return for him staying as King of Earth.
When the Black Order shows up on Earth to claim the Mind and Time Gems, Loki will already know they're coming and he doesn't seem to antagonistic towards Fury or Earth. Chances are Carol Danvers and whatever Avengers are recruited will be backed by Asgard itself, including Hela, when Thanos makes his move. He'd never attack Asgard first and, without Thor forcing Ragnarok to happen, it'll still be standing when Thanos decides to grab the Space Gem so he'd have to leave it until later.
The Black Order is not getting either of the Infinity Gems from Earth in that scenario, nor is Stephen Strange ending up on Titan or handing the Time Gem to Thanos to save Tony Stark's life. In fact Thanos will probably have to come to Earth himself but he'd only have, at best, the Power, Reality and Soul Gems. That'll never be enough to claim the Mind, Time and Space Gems.
Loki, Hela, Danvers, Strange, other Avengers and the army of Asgard would utterly crush Thanos, his Black Order and his army.
That seems nice and all but you forgot one thing:
Captain Marvel would obliterate Loki and his army as soon as she arrived on Earth. That scene right at the end? A few hours before she's seen holding Loki's head. Asgard and Earth would never cooperate this way.
fun idea that Hope deciding to join shield like her parents, in theory a noble decision, actually results in the death of the avengers and loki's conquest of earth
been having a lot of fun with what if
been having a lot of fun with what if
The Dark Elves only woke up because Jane found the Reality "Stone" while looking for Thor at the same time the Convergence was happening. No Thor, Jane never finds the Stone, no Dark Elves at the only time when they could win. So Thanos can't get to the Reality Stone, no snap.
Killmonger's return had nothing to do with T'Challa I don't think, he would have challenged T'Chaka just the same, and probably won.
Each episode has been better than the last. I was pretty apprehensive after episode 1, but I've really warmed up to this.
Seriously! Makes for such interesting theorizing and discussion. This episode lays out that Hope joining SHIELD... leads to Loki taking over Earth. Quite the butterfly effect indeed.
Loving all three episodes so far!
Wasn't the Nexus event in the first episode Peggy staying in the room instead of leaving?
Without the events of Ragnarok, the Asgardians are still around to protect the dwarves and thus Thanos can't get them to construct the infinity gauntlet for him though. I may be jumping the gun here as I haven't watched the latest episode yet, but I'm always intrigued by the fact that Ragnarok is so pivotal to Thanos's plans.
Really enjoyed this episode as well, the series is delivering
Shame they it ended before we could see Carol kicking Loki's ass 😂
I think it's the fact that Odin!Loki is doing absolutely nothing for the other realms, even Thor mentions in Ragnarok that they have fallen in disarray
Shame they it ended before we could see Carol kicking Loki's ass 😂
They will, going by the trailers we can see a take on The Avengers iconic shot but with Captain Carter, T'Challa Star-Lord, Gamora with Thanos' Endgame armor, among others
Not really that one, since IW is immediately after Ragnarok so Thanos wouldn't have had the time for it probably 🤔
I think it's the fact that Odin!Loki is doing absolutely nothing for the other realms, even Thor mentions in Ragnarok that they have fallen in disarray
That's very much it, it wasn't something that happened on-screen but years before the episode began. So this universe already had quite an important change before Avengers started dying, we just didn't know it and it wasn't spelled out by Uatu.
In this universe Hope was inspired by Janet's sacrifice to join SHIELD rather than work for her dad, and it caused some very tragic losses and drove Hank crazy.
I could be mistaken, but I always presumed the dwarves being wiped out was because Loki was shit as King of Asgard and wasn't properly protecting people. Loki rules Asgard from end of 2013 until 2017, and I figured Thanos "I'll do it myself" post credits scene was set before Ragnarok begins.
Theoretically both episode 2 and 3 can occupy the same universe. So rather than T'Challa stepping up he'd be in space. It would also explain the Collector having easy access to something like Mjolnir rather than outright defeating Thor.
1 and 3 cannot because Barton is dead here and he was in that scene with Fury at the end.
That's fair. What I would have hoped would be that in this alt universe, he didn't survive being in the ice for 70 years like the main one.
That, and the fact that Fury's recovering Cap at the end, not Carter. Also, I think it's reasonable to assume that Captain Marvel doesn't exist in the Carter universe, since the tesserect would've taken a much different journey in that universe.
I imagine that it's possible in the episode 3 universe, with the world being saved by Captain Marvel and (probably to a lesser extent) Captain America, the population of Earth may have a universally more positive view of heroes (Loki originally only really damaged NYC, and AoU never happened). Since Thanos would eventually have to get the Time Stone from Strange regardless, if Fury can convince Captain Marvel to check in on Earth more often, she might intercept Thanos' plan earlier and end things quicker before the Snap even happens. Especially if the newer Avengers (presumably Strange, Spidey, Falcon, Captain America, War Machine, and maybe some others that would only exist here) are a united front this time.
