In general i agree but they could have at least talked/showed their Ray-tracing solution...It feels like they just skipped over that.Again, they said it was a GDC presentation. That was how it was originally going to be presented in the first place, the same dry details in a similar location. They did in fact reveal some of the big core components of the console so I do not think they were misleading people by saying "big details", but everyone else was apparently expecting some footage of AAA titles to be shown.
Complains about trolling and shiposting and then continues to troll and shitpost...yeah, I'm quite shocked of the amount of blantant trolling and shitposting here ever since yesterday.
I'm really excited to see some games here and especially 1FP games from both platform holders. While I myself won't get an XSX because I'm still not convinced by their studio acquisitions, I sincerely hope they churn out a good chunk of quality games because Xbox One Gamers deserve better than they're being treated right now (other than Ori... what else is there to play on XOX exclusively? Right, nothing, sadly).
Not sure multiplat games will be able to take advantage of that, yeah. I think the advantages of the SSD speed will be most apparent in PS5 exclusive open-world games. I think developers are still trying to figure out what they can do there, but I think it can fundamentally change the way they design those kinds of games.
Yes, Sony will only allow to expand storage with SSD that can run at same speeds, which dosent even exist on the market yet. They will make a list of brand and models of SSD drives that can be used.
enlighten me where I trolled or shitposted. I'm waiting. Just to make it clear to you: Ori is a fantastic game. But only one doesn't cut it when compared to Nintendo or Sony which both are putting out more exclusive games throughout the year. Nothing is trolling or shitposting about the simple truth.Complains about trolling and shiposting and then continues to troll and shitpost...
Glad I missed that discourse.
PS5 is way, way more exciting than Sony is leading people believe and that's a shame. This will probably be corrected once more developers have freedom to speak about it and show what they've been working on but until then it's going to be weird seeing people parade around as though one console is much more powerful than the other when in fact the difference is smaller than between the two consoles that have been on the market since 2013.
Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Not to mention the natural diminishing returns.This part has me confused.
The difference between 1x, and pro for most games
1440P/1800P vs 4k
Higher resolution textures
More stable framerate(not 30vs60)
For that difference we needed
50% more ram
35% more bandwith
10% faster cpu
45% faster gpu
4 extra CU
How are we going to get a repeate of the 1x/pro with
Same amount of ram
20% more bandwidth
8% faster cpu
15-20% faster gpu
16 extra CU
Will the extra 12 CU make that big of a difference?
Can someone like dictator chime in?
Right there with you (though I didn't have an XBO this gen).As someone who has bought both consoles since PS2/Xbox, I'm just psyched that both Microsoft and Sony absolutely have their shit together with these machines. It's such an exciting time.
Yeah you are.
It helps if you know who you are dealing with.... Less annoyances....
The resolution not being linear has already been happening. Sony's solution with the PS4Pro was checkerboard rendering but seems like most ended up doing different resolution scaling. It is also used on the Switch.So, for starters, I was talking to an engineer this morning who told me that the way they think of resolutions these days isn't as linear as it used to be -- rather than, say, 1080p vs 720p, you're looking at percentage of frames that hit certain resolution percentages ("75% of frames at 90% resolution at 4k/60fps"). Which will make the discourse even more confusing and insufferable.
Other people have made comparisons to Apple/Android in terms of efficiencies.
The way in which I've been told to think about it is: even if one GPU is capable of better performance than the other, there are a lot of barriers en route to actually maxing out that performance, and it remains to be seen how many developers will be able to overcome those barriers, what they'll look like in practice, and so on.
It has a different set of strengths and weaknesses than the X, and first party games will be able to do some unique things due to that lightning fast SSD.
Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
That's all fine and dandy, but will it have Knack 3?Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
No, but devs are very excited with the console. And that's enough for me
But that's way less of a statement of fact than what you said in the transcript. That's not even comparing it to the XSX, really.Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Hes arguing and dunking on gaming forums...If anyone has earned the right to be petty, it's Jason "Sneakfucker" Schreier.
The Order 1887 will look insane.Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Starting to feel a little.... strange what you're doing, Idk. Like vindictive almost?Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Sure, I'll quote your trolling and shitposting again.enlighten me where I trolled or shitposted. I'm waiting. Just to make it clear to you: Ori is a fantastic game. But only one doesn't cut it when compared to Nintendo or Sony which both are putting out more exclusive games throughout the year. Nothing is trolling or shitposting about the simple truth.
I'm really excited to see some games here and especially 1FP games from both platform holders. While I myself won't get an XSX because I'm still not convinced by their studio acquisitions, I sincerely hope they churn out a good chunk of quality games because Xbox One Gamers deserve better than they're being treated right now (other than Ori... what else is there to play on XOX exclusively? Right, nothing, sadly).
I'm just wondering if there is no space on sony ssd, if the super fast speeds will be effected if, there's no room
I think anything that sounds like "Balance" or "Secret Sauce" will always be met with derision, no matter what certain developers are saying.
You're misunderstanding. What I'm trying to explain is that despite Sony's marketing flub, and despite the direct spec sheet comparisons, the sentiment from game developers is all about how exciting this thing is. So as console warrior after console warrior fights over teraflops, my advice is to listen to the people who have actually been using the machine.Starting to feel a little.... strange what you're doing, Idk. Like vindictive almost?
Why not just let each console shine? Why spend all this time and energy just to make sure people know the ps5 is more powerful.
Each will have their own strengths and secret sauces and gamers will enjoy both!
They flat out said the stream was a replacement of an event scheduled for GDC, i don't know why people are so shocked when they set themselves up for disappointment. It really comes off as a huge overreaction because people don't want to admit they were expecting more then just dry details. Like, I can't see why anyone would be so upset about this and claim "Sony dropped the ball on marketing". What?? That stream wasn't directed at a mainstream audience since it was a GDC event. Could the social media posts been a little more specific? Yes, but jesus christ people.
Yeah but how many puddles it could handle in Spider-Man 2Oh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Which other 1FP games are coming out for Xbox One exclusively that are as high profile as Nintendo/Sony releases in upcoming months until XSX releases? Actually curious. Maybe I actually missed some. I'll be gladly proven wrong otherwise.Claiming that Ori is the only exclusive Xbox has is straight up trolling /shitposting.
And you would know called it right the entire time, im happy with both
I really don't envy you... Even explaining to people trying there best to not understand what is being said....You're misunderstanding. What I'm trying to explain is that despite Sony's marketing flub, and despite the direct spec sheet comparisons, the sentiment from game developers is all about how exciting this thing is. So as console warrior after console warrior fights over teraflops, my advice is to listen to the people who have actually been using the machine.
Sony is cleary founding a new The Order, that's why RAD CTO is praising PS5. /sOh hey would you look at that:
Andrea Pessino on Twitter
“Dollar bet: within a year from its launch gamers will fully appreciate that the PlayStation 5 is one of the most revolutionary, inspired home consoles ever designed, and will feel silly for having spent energy arguing about "teraflops" and other similarly misunderstood specs. 😘”twitter.com
Since when does a game journalist (one of the best there is) tell you which console is the best? Wtf is wrong with you people..? It's not like he has tried any of them, he does not program games for them.
He is just airing his own thoughts, based on what he has heard from devs etc. He isn't more qualified than most of the posters on this site.
You all need to calm down and play the waiting game, like Sony and MS are doing right now..
Got ya.You're misunderstanding. What I'm trying to explain is that despite Sony's marketing flub, and despite the direct spec sheet comparisons, the sentiment from game developers is all about how exciting this thing is. So as console warrior after console warrior fights over teraflops, my advice is to listen to the people who have actually been using the machine.
And now moving goalposts lmao. Embarrasing. Don't complain about tolling when you yourself are trolling, it's not a good look.Which other 1FP games are coming out for Xbox One exclusively until XSX releases? Actually curious. Maybe I actually missed some. I'll be gladly proven wrong otherwise.
The larger point is that "better/stronger" isn't a binary distinction and at this point it's unclear how the particular advantages of each box will play out in the real world.
think of it like... a mustang vs. a civic. does one have more power than the other? yes.
if you're on a road that's full of potholes, however, do you ever see that increase in power? probably not. you can only go as fast as the road lets you go safely, unless you're a really good driver.
a big part of sony's argument is that their custom hardware is going to take a lot of those potholes out - this was one of the big motivators behind their very long (and very interesting!) explanation of how their SSD setup works. they've spent a lot of time optimizing data movement speeds, managing decompression, improving data eviction policies, and so on. the theory behind it is that, while you have a lower theoretical top-end, the smooth operation of the hardware means you'll be able to go at a constantly fast speed. by comparison, if the series x is missing some of these features, there might be some games that truly just are faster (the aforementioned "really good drivers"), but it's possible that some games might even run worse. we don't actually know.
there's also some other interesting things of note. for one thing, graphics aren't just a matter of flops. one of the big drivers of pop-in, for example, is memory/hard drive read speed - if you can't replace your models with higher-quality textures at an adequate rate, the player starts to get too close to the low-quality textures (or the non-loaded objects, in extreme cases) and the game looks bad. how much does the significantly faster SSD lead to better graphics by improving texture load times? we have no idea. similarly, the ps5 has an entire audio processing unit that the xbox doesn't. how much workload does this take off of the cpu/gpu? does this lead to better performance? we have no idea - this would largely depend on how much time/effort developers are putting into audio for modern games. (for me personally, I'm incredibly intrigued by the audio fidelity sony was talking about, and genuinely do think it could be the true "leap" of this generation if it pans out)
the point is that, until we get actual games running cross-platform that we can compare directly, we don't know how the hardware truly compares. developers have been saying for a long time that numbers on a box with frequencies and teraflops aren't all that matters for hardware performance. solely comparing cpu/gpu theoretical top ends is like, the tim allen version of thinking about hardware - it's mostly just grunting and shouting about "more power". we'll see soon enough what things look like for sure.
evading questions is not a good look on yourself. I'm not starting a list war here, I'm actually being curious. But alas. It's seemingly not worth to continue discussing with you when you can't have a normal discussion yourself.And now moving goalposts lmao. Embarrasing. Don't complain about tolling when you yourself are trolling, it's not a good look.
It's so embarrassing, honestly. And to think this is supposed to be one of the more mature communities on the web.
😂😂😂See, this is why I always chose dead writers to report on. Although the thought of Vonnegut coming back just to roast me is scaring enough on its own