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What exactly is the point of fail-able QTEs?
- Thread starter daninthemix
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The QTEs being instant-death and giving the player half the time to react at 60 FPS (on PC at least) is bad game design.Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
Watching someone else fail the QTEs at the end of the lengthy minecart sequence in RE4 several times in a row and having to play it all over again - with the first death being because they put down the controller during a cutscene - made this very clear.
It's not a perfect game.
If the fail state is interesting or funny, I think it can make for something more memorable. In general, repeat QTEs are brief... if it makes me watch a minutes-long unskippable scene every time, yeah, that would suck.
i tried for a while to convince myself that this wasn't the correct answer. but i know better now...
They're fun depending on the context. The finale to the Wonderful 101 wouldn't have been as cool if that button prompt wasn't there.
I think Until Dawn is an example of QTEs done right.
Everything has a consequence so the stakes are raised. Unlike other games where you have to go through the same sequence of qtes if you failed until you get it right, Until Dawn will just let what happened play out good or bad.
Also was a big fan of the don't move the controller to keep silent, and the split second decisions you have to make. It's a game that has great stakes thanks to the mechanics.
It's okay in RE4 with Krauser, but if you fail and have to watch the same cutscene and sequence of qtes for a second or third time the design really makes you hate it.
It's not as bad when you don't insta-fail but instead get an another prompt, but I like that games have moved away from them.
Maybe make the cutscenes better (or at least shorter) if that's a problem.
It's the pure essence of trial and error, which people seem to like. It's not unlike learning to beat a boss in Sekiro by fighting it dozens of times and trying to memorize its attack patterns and which buttons to press in certain situations, if you think about it. It's like that but condensed to the absolute minimum. Press X. Press A. Press Up. Wrong button? Fail, try again from the start. Try to memorize it better next time.
Yeah it's interesting that Resident Evil 4 - one of the most praised games of all time - along two other fan-favorites (Shenmue and God of War) made QTEs what they were for a long time. But suddenly QTEs became a sign of bad and lazy game design?!Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
IMO, as long as they are implemented well (just like any other gameplay feature), there is nothing bad about QTEs.
Dynamite Deka/Die Hard Arcade is clearly the champ of this.
If you fail, you get into a fight that you otherwise wouldn't have had to. Or you take some damage that otherwise you wouldn't have had to. You get this cool change of pace, you get some neat camera angles, nothing gets repeated, and the player is still engaged.
If you fail, you get into a fight that you otherwise wouldn't have had to. Or you take some damage that otherwise you wouldn't have had to. You get this cool change of pace, you get some neat camera angles, nothing gets repeated, and the player is still engaged.
They're tense. Fighting Krauser in the RE4 cutscene is always super intense and leads to me sitting forward.
theyre a very artificial way to "engage" the player.
QTEs add nothing.
Yes, the QTEs in RE4 are shit, too. It even has them in some cutscenes and you better not be sipping on your drink or whatever, because they are instant kills.Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
There was a time when I thought qte heavy games like heavy rain were a great way to get my non gamer family and friends to play some games. Turns out they don't like qtes either. They were an interesting idea but compelling gameplay it's not.
Going to have to disagree very hard here
Microwave snake would not have been the same if it was just a cutscene,
Several spoilerffic moments in The KH3 DLC wouldn't have been the same if it was just a cutscene
(almost made that awful story worth it actually, ...almost)
The entirely of Asura's Wrath wouldn't have been as fun if it was simply animated film (though it probably would have been just as pleasing to look at I bet)
I think that QTE's are simply tools and just like tools in real life, they can be used rather skillfully or very poorly.
One of the absolute worst implementations is actually in one of the best games ever made. RE4 throws them at you in the middle of cutscenes when you're not expecting them and the result is that you have to watch the cutscene again from the beginning. Just, why?
fair enough. There are certain instances like Asura's Wrath where they're fine and that's because the game is designed around them.
But for the most part, like in OPs example. They're a really cheap way to have "engaging" cutscenes.
I love deadly premonition. Finally played it last month but the absolute worst part was the instant fail QTEs that set the player back a few minutes and felt like they added nothing.
I feel like i accomplished something when i not fail in a fail able qte.
Imo QTE are mostly bad in execution rather than the idea itself. Like, i hate how the buttons appear so suddenly most of the time, but if there's any way to know which button need to be pressed in the next seconds, would be really cool.
If you think about it, Guitar Hero is kinda like doing lots of QTEs at the same time, but it's fun because you see from afar when you have to press a button and what button is it. Devs could be inspired by this notion when making qte's.
Imo QTE are mostly bad in execution rather than the idea itself. Like, i hate how the buttons appear so suddenly most of the time, but if there's any way to know which button need to be pressed in the next seconds, would be really cool.
If you think about it, Guitar Hero is kinda like doing lots of QTEs at the same time, but it's fun because you see from afar when you have to press a button and what button is it. Devs could be inspired by this notion when making qte's.
Thanks for reminding me, I gotta go back and finish it, and you are very right, they are pretty bad there.
Felt like Swery was smoking a different blunt then usual when he came up with those, unlike the rest of the game lol
I think it was just a check list on the "things we need from RE4" lmao. But yeah amazing game and I need the sequel ASAP🤝
i like how they work in Yakuza they usually occur during bosses and if you fail you are usually just damaged usually never outright killed
Yes, it did.Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
The order 1886 is such a trash fire of a game, i played it for the first time last year, that game puts kojima to shame when it comes to cutscenes, kojima's games have longer cutscenes but the order has to have some kind of a record for number of cutscenes and pointless qte's in the measly 6 hours it takes to beat it.
I remember this one in Shenmue 2 where you're not supposed to press the button. Shit had me so frustrated.
I had to record the TV with my phone and replay in slow motion to get past many QTE scenes in Shenmue II. Great experience.
Dynamite Deka/Die Hard Arcade is clearly the champ of this.
If you fail, you get into a fight that you otherwise wouldn't have had to. Or you take some damage that otherwise you wouldn't have had to. You get this cool change of pace, you get some neat camera angles, nothing gets repeated, and the player is still engaged.
I love the 3D style from older arcade titles. I need to play this game.
If you're gonna do QTEs, they should be fail-able. They are an utterly pointless button prompt if it's not actually going to affect anything.
Now, I don't think failure in QTEs should result in death either. If they reduce your health, make you repeat a bit of what happened previously, or do something like that, I think that's fine. The best QTEs, however, are the ones that make failing them entertaining without punishing for it too hard, like the ones in The Wonderful 101.
Now, I don't think failure in QTEs should result in death either. If they reduce your health, make you repeat a bit of what happened previously, or do something like that, I think that's fine. The best QTEs, however, are the ones that make failing them entertaining without punishing for it too hard, like the ones in The Wonderful 101.
QTEs are the only thing bad about Resi 4.Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
All QTEs are bad except for renegade interrupts in Mass Effect.
No. Bayonetta has the worst QTEs ever. I'm talking about the cinematic ones, I hate that they are so punishing to the player.
It has always been the worst thing about an otherwise great game.Oh so Resident Evil 4 has terrible game design now?
I'm sorry for going off topic, but this game looks amazing to me honestly. I would love indie games to embrace the blocky polygonal, PSX texture era like this.Dynamite Deka/Die Hard Arcade is clearly the champ of this.
If you fail, you get into a fight that you otherwise wouldn't have had to. Or you take some damage that otherwise you wouldn't have had to. You get this cool change of pace, you get some neat camera angles, nothing gets repeated, and the player is still engaged.
QTEs are generally pretty weak, but they definitely need to be fail-able. They are literally nothing otherwise. Failure doesn't necessarily need to mean death or restarting, but there absolutely needs to be two states depending on whether or not the button was pressed properly and on time. Otherwise it's not a "quick time event". It's not even an event at all, just a resume cutscene button.
Of course, 90% of the time I'd say a game is better off having not QTEs at all, but if they're present, there must be a risk of messing up.
Of course, 90% of the time I'd say a game is better off having not QTEs at all, but if they're present, there must be a risk of messing up.
Holy shit lmao
Had to stop watching this and pause for breath/sanity. Will continue later.