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What exactly is the deal with this “Anti-SJW” bullshit in the gaming community?
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Do you remember that whole THQ *chan thing? Apparently you're pretty famous.
People really love us ERA.
Personally in my experience this is oversimplifying. Because I've seen non whites who say the same thing as well.
It's sexism and/or misunderstanding feminism.
SJW is just the new term for "Feminazi" cause they needed something new to say.
Always uncomfortable when people used either term unironically.
Always uncomfortable when people used either term unironically.
Sadly, this is not unique to the gaming community. I have a few unfortunate friends that get very bent out of shape at inclusive/"SJW" things. Stuff like "Happy Holidays" in December, International Women's Day ("where's muh Men's day?!?"), etc.
They're both straight white guys that have good careers, want for very little and have faced very little adversity. Yet always mad about something, seems like a sad way to live.
They're both straight white guys that have good careers, want for very little and have faced very little adversity. Yet always mad about something, seems like a sad way to live.
I find it hard to have friends like that. You have to tiptoe around what you say or talk about to them, because you might trigger them to show their inner snowflake.
People who hate politics and real issues pointed in any media. Mostly these people live in their small world. Despite that those mentioned issues can give a solution.
Miku is a fictional character that has a vast number of fans. She has concerts and it is not real.
Yeah. One of them is a colleague. Last December our marketing folks posted a pre-rendered image that said "Happy Holidays from [Company]" with our logo and said anyone that would like to could share on social media.
Absolutely. Lost. His. Shit.
Like what the hell guy? For starters, you aren't being forced to. Also, in 2 days you won't even remember this and literally has no effect on your life? Couldn't imagine living like that.
I never said "all boys," so I really don't know what you are talking about.
Being honest, I didn't really care about representation when I was younger. If it happened, cool, if not...well, I'm a spaniard so we are not represented either way. Over time you grow up, get your head out of your ass, and use that lovely empathy nature gives us, and start seeing why diversity matters. Incidentally, makes games themselves better.
Did you know people Google more about the international men day in March than in the month it actually happens?
But the people who voted for trump arent all racists and homophobes. Theyre called conservatives and helped build America. Children and idiots of the net dont represent the common people. And dont assume the idiots screaming on twitch, youtube, or any forum for that matter are white guys.
You have met a conservative recently or only read about them in history books?
If you're a conservative,
- you're racist/homophobic/sexist in a blatant or veiled manner
- or you support racist/homophobic/sexist policies and legislature, which is basically the same thing as the first but given enough distance so you don't have to think about your beliefs and can convince yourself that it's a matter of law, safety, the Constitution, taxes, being against regulation, protecting American culture, etc
If you're conservative then you're at the very least okay with racism, homophobia, sexism, and so on. That's not a meaningful distinction.
completely dumb takes
There are some conservatives who only care about the fiscal, business, tax, money side of politics. And only vote for those personal reasons
I mean I could tell you that the sky is green but then both of us would be lying
Okay, how do you justify voting for candidates that are sexist, racist, homophobic, and so on?
The "conservative" movement in America atm is hardly conservative in the broad sense of the term ("preserve the status quo and implement change gradually and carefully"), they're more like a reactionary far-right group ("i want things to return to a glorious past that doesn't exist, and also undo all civil rights gains done in the last decade or more").
Max Boot (who formerly worked in the Bush administration) came to a conclusion after the election of Trump that the "principled" conservatives who care about the fine details of the ideology are not that numerous, and unfortunately for the average republican voter it's often just a matter of sticking it to people they don't like. And based on what's been happening in the US and other countries in the last few years I think he's right.
Max Boot (who formerly worked in the Bush administration) came to a conclusion after the election of Trump that the "principled" conservatives who care about the fine details of the ideology are not that numerous, and unfortunately for the average republican voter it's often just a matter of sticking it to people they don't like. And based on what's been happening in the US and other countries in the last few years I think he's right.
It is impossible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Liberal politics, in an American sense, requires governmental measures to combat social inequities - it takes money to run Medicaid and Social Security to fight poverty, it takes money to properly administer voting equality, it takes money to enforce anti-discrimination laws, etc. Tax money pays for social programs.
Fiscal conservatism is a patina, a mask, because conservatives simply aren't fiscally conservative. They love spending money on their pet projects, and every conservative administration from Reagan to the present has contributed toward higher spending than their liberal predecessors.
Conservative "Fuck you, got mine" fiscal/business/tax policy?
aka "you support racist/homophobic/sexist policies and legislature, which is basically the same thing as the first but given enough distance so you don't have to think about your beliefs and can convince yourself that it's a matter of law, safety, the Constitution, taxes, being against regulation, protecting American culture, etc"
Maybe in the USA.
Except the GOP has repeatedly fucked the economy with multiple wars and Trump bullshit. They also are the same kind of rightwing on taxes as some of their European cousins: higher the taxes for everyone by cutting what you can detract, then cut taxes for the richest.
It also signals that conservatives don't give a fuck about minorities as long as they get more money in their pockets. They literally worship the money and put it above people.
In America? If you are still voting Republican and did in 2016 it's absolutely true. No more wiggle room on that.
Thank you. The problem here is we're debating with generation Twitter. The gen that thinks it can solve complex world issues with 100 character tweets. The new left quickly tries to stop all discussion by claiming racist or homophobe from the rooftops. Its poor debating and frankly quite uneducated.
My family is mixed. I am a huge supporter of gay, civil and women's rights. I'm open minded and non-confrontational. However, some of my views can be considered right and some left. I have friends on both sides and non are opposite to me.
The right is not racist and homophobic. It's just the right. It's meaning is also being mistaught in schools.
Is there a difference between the fascists putting kids in cages and the conservatives not giving a single fuck about it?
Glass Arrows I could definitely see that, so I don't disagree with what you say above
Personally I don't vote, but I have a few extended family members who voted for Trump. The only reason is because of money/taxes/business. Because some of them own relatively good-size companies/businesses.
We are racially Chinese, so it's definitely not because those family members are Nazis or KKK members
If I was personally forced to vote, I would also vote for a fiscal conservative. There is no way I would vote for a Democrat, strictly because I fundamentally disagree with their platform regarding taxes/businesses.
But I also could not have voted for Trump because he's too much of a clown personality for me. So I'd have to vote 3rd-party
Says common sense and the Republicans very blatant and public platform for at least a decade now. Homophobia, sexism and racism is quite literally part of the parties platform. In fact several very high priority items for them like anti-gay marriage, anti-transsexual, Muslim ban, building a literal wall to keep brown people out, abortion, shall I continue? At the absolute least anyone that votes GOP is ok with those things. For tax breaks. There is no debating this, you're being disingenuous to try.
In other words they are completely fine with all the racism, homophobia, transphobia, and so on as long as it doesn't directly affect their bottom line. In other words, exactly what I said above.
"The only reason is because of money/taxes/business" means you're willfully ignoring everything else that conservative policies/legislature supports and only caring about what benefits you.
It's nice to say you're only voting because of money and taxes but your vote doesn't exist in vacuum and doesn't care about your nuance. Your vote isn't for the isolated policy that you like, your vote is for the person and all their policies and agendas
It's not that simple that you can sit there and say "I only voted for Trump so that I would make more money" when we have the very real consequences of what Trump is doing affecting us.
Please take a read through some of this, which hasn't been updated in the past few months. The trans military ban is supposed to go into effect next month if you'd like an update on that discrimination.
This is what people mean when they say that if you vote for conservatives you are at the very least okay with these kind of policies because none of this in here should be a surprise. These are all directly part of the platforms that they run on.
Reading this article on the esports dress, thought of this thread
Emma Vossen said:Let me break this down even more. When you are a woman who plays games, you have a few choices if you want to "fit in" with games culture. As a "female gamer", you develop survival techniques that help you participate in games culture. This might be as simple as not identifying yourself as a feminist or declaring a distaste for feminism (many gamers love that), it might be not talking about the phone games you play (many gamers hate phone games), it might mean participating in trash talk (showing that you can give it and take it), it might mean playing games you don't want to play (to show that you are skilled in the games that are popular) it might mean you laugh at rape jokes (it's just a joke right).
Clothes specifically make this phenomenon quite obvious and it is no wonder that what women wear on Twitch is such a controversial topic. Historically, your options as a female gamer are 1) attempt to disguise your more feminine characteristics by not wearing makeup (or wearing what is perceived as no makeup by men and is more likely "natural" looking makeup to give the appearance of so-called "no makeup makeup") and dressing in what is considered "male" clothing, or 2) using makeup and clothing to draw attention towards your feminine characteristics. This is complicated by the fact that as women gamers we are subjected to a sort of dual-objectification. You are objectified once for your body, and once for the fact that you play games. This seems ridiculous, but any woman who has played games in the last 20 years will know what I'm talking about. As a female "gamer" you are sexualized simply for playing games — you are seen as the unicorn. Do you remember the Team Unicorn "Geek and Gamer Girls" video from 2012? It attempted to parody the sexualization of female nerds and was an integral part of starting these discussions, especially when many insisted that the girls in the video couldn't possibly be "geek and gamer" girls because they were too attractive. One of the reasons many male gamers learned to tolerate female gamers over the past 15 or so years is simply to increase their dating pool rather than out of actual respect. But even then, we would have to follow their rules. We are taught that being ogled, or getting harassed is the price we have to pay for wanting to play games.
The contemporary "SJW" figure interrupts this duality of the two types of acceptable female gamers. For years to be a female gamer you either had to be 1) eye candy or 2) one of the guys. To be a good gamer girl you wouldn't complain about sexism in games, you accepted games as they were; you wouldn't complain about trash talk in games, you would simply "git gud". In my research, I've encountered countless memes used to spread these ideas and police female gamer behaviour; the most on the nose of which is this parody of Goofus and Gallant staring gamergate mascot Vivian James.
In this image we see Vivian James (the good gamer girl) playing and making games while SJW stand-in Occulass "demands devs change things in games she'll never play" and "complains online about things keeping women out of gaming." The message is clear: you want to be accepted as a real girl gamer? Don't be like Occulass, be like Vivian. Vivian follows the rules and norms set out by male gamers. She doesn't complain about sexist representation or sexual harassment. Maybe she even wears the gamer dress. She will dress and act in a way that doesn't offend, or even deliberately appeals to male gamers as a matter of survival. I know that as a teen, I tried to be like Vivian, I didn't point out when things bothered me, I put up with sexual harassment and jokes about my skill and gender, and worse still, I perceived a lot of these survival techniques that I picked up as genuine parts of my "not like other girls" or "cool girl" personality: they were not. In contrast to the "good gamer girl", the SJW figure is truly frightening to male gamers not only because she points out what is so obviously sexist in their games and behaviour, but also because she does not attempt to adjust her appearance to make them happy.
What has become the stereotyped image of an SJW, queer and fat with colourful hair, ostentatious clothing and a loud mouth (all me now by the way), is the exact opposite of what games culture wants female gamers to be. They want you to be slim and pretty and quiet and never calling them on their shit under any circumstances. Even when that involves sexual harassment and sexual assault.
I pointed out to one friend on Facebook that, in addition to literally every day being Straight White Men's Day, there IS an International Men's Day...it didn't stop his ranting. We're no longer Facebook friends lol
No one is saying those programs you listed should have ZERO money, not even most conservatives. Where liberals & conservatives can disagree is how much and what percents should be contributed to those programs. That just comes down to personal preference/opinion
Also the examples you listed are not the only social topics. There are other subjects which are not related to money, or at least not from a personal individual standpoint. So if you want to use me as an example, here's what I believe in some of those:
-- I am completely atheist
-- Therefore I believe in a complete separation of church from state, I don't think religion should have anything to do with government. That puts me at major odds with the current day Republican party, especially since GWBush times.
-- I staunchly believe in pro choice for abortion
-- Gay marriage, sure why not. Doesn't affect me, so go for it. I tell religious conservatives to mind their own business, won't change their lives in any way
-- I staunchly support legalization of marijuana (albeit for a different reason than pot smokers themselves)
-- Gun control, I wouldn't mind if handguns and assault rifles were banned
I read your full post the first time. It's just as silly the second time.
I'm not sure what your angle here is when we're about to enter a recession thanks to Trump's tax plan. If you want to talk objective facts, Republicans have historically been bad with using the taxpayer's money.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...ears-hes-track-leave-it-least-percent-higher/
It's almost like those "fiscal conservative" have other reasons for voting. I wonder what they could be???
It's almost like those "fiscal conservative" have other reasons for voting. I wonder what they could be???
Yes they are. By definition if you voted for trump you voted for racism and homophobia.
Slave owners and genocidal maniacs built america.
Just wanted to pipe in to say that I live & grew up in Appalachia and aside from the overtness of the bigotry there doesn't seem to be much of an attitudinal difference from the folks I saw when I was on 4chan oh so long ago.
Definitely saw trucker (ex-)friends joking about running protesters over with their semis when there was a BLM-related march somewhere off the mountain
Have definitely seen an issue with baseline hostility, i.e. if someone says something hurtful and you ask them how they'd feel if someone else said the somethin similar to them, they basically respond as if it's a threat
Just the other day some mid-thirties-and-older managers at my job were complaining about TLJ and "SJW" came up a non-negligible number of times
DEFINITELY had ex-Army brats threaten to shoot me when I pointed out contradictions in their anti-SJW rhetoric
Not particularly thrilled about dudes in here saying this is just children on the Internet
Definitely saw trucker (ex-)friends joking about running protesters over with their semis when there was a BLM-related march somewhere off the mountain
Have definitely seen an issue with baseline hostility, i.e. if someone says something hurtful and you ask them how they'd feel if someone else said the somethin similar to them, they basically respond as if it's a threat
Just the other day some mid-thirties-and-older managers at my job were complaining about TLJ and "SJW" came up a non-negligible number of times
DEFINITELY had ex-Army brats threaten to shoot me when I pointed out contradictions in their anti-SJW rhetoric
Not particularly thrilled about dudes in here saying this is just children on the Internet
Of course I technically understand that a vote ends up being a single result.
But some of you seem to not realize (or ignore) the simple principle of prioritizing criteria? When you have a list of totally different criteria, do you not rate different levels of importance on each item? Not every item ends up being the same importance
I'm in real-estate Sales. When you buy a home, there are different factors. Location, standard features, finishes, view, lot location, school district, property tax rate, etc etc
Buyers rate each criteria to a different importance level, even though you have to compromise on some criteria in the end. What's the difference with voting?
The difference with voting is that you're weighing money as more important than people's fundamental rights. When you buy a house, it's just for you and has no impact on others. You are sending a message to the people who are affected by these policies "As long as I can fill my pockets, it's okay what happens to you. It's okay that you'll lose rights, access to healthcare, and might face increased discrimination or violence. "
You're talking about two different things.
When it comes to managing government finances, then some Republicans throughout history have been bad, no doubt.
But when it comes strictly to an individual citizen's own bottom line, sometimes a Republican president ends up with the best result for a person.
You say you support those ideals and policies, but a vote for a conservative or Republican supports policies that either opposes or wants to destroy those things.