As long as it doesn't involve a princess being saved right? See that's the thing, if you go on a date with a woman who is respectable and were to talk to her about games, and she recalled thinking it was cute that Mario saves the princess, what do you do? Do you harp on her and ruin the date or do you just go, yeah that was cute.
The intensity of people here is often truly exhausting, when something like a 2 second event in a Mario game that most adults think almost nothing of, is something worth fighting, that's the problem. Women won't have the course of their lives altered because of princess peach, that to me means its just a relatively harmless thing in a silly videogame.
It's different versus if you have a game like, Farcry, and it were to include racism and things of that nature, at least to me anyways. I just don't take these games designed to be played by children that seriously. Unfortunately I assumed this could become a dog pile which is pretty typical here, you simply have to go along with the echo chamber on all points, or else it becomes a blood bath. It's a shame that people here seem less and less capable of civil discussion even with people that are basically on their side. People who post on this site are probably all within the same 20 percent range of progressive, but if you're not in the exact range to the most extreme cutoff, you're an enemy.
I'd like to continue to discuss but I have to prepare for bed.
You know, you should really read about logical fallacies because your posts in this thread touch upon & exhaust almost all of them. Inventing these very specific real-life situations that support your own arguments but have very little basis in reality. Acting like the victim when mean old progressives "pile" on you when you make dumb arguments. Like, yeah, there would be nothing wrong with your hypothetical, real-life flesh & bone son liking the colour pink. That has ZERO relevancy to the arguments made by progressives about the harmfulness of tropes like Damsel In Distress (it a widely know name even outside progressive circles because it's such a common one, it's not just Mario) or how shitty it is that we do so much gender-exclusive marketing & gender-coded crap IN FICTION.
But sure, let's take your silly arguments at face value...
If such a highly unlikely discussion came up on a date about Princess Peach being a damsel in distress, then yeah, I'd criticize the trope even if my date was all into that. I wouldn't "harp on her" or publicly try to humiliate her, but I'd say that I think it's just another tired example of sexist attitudes towards women I find really tired & annoying. Not that this kind of discussion would ever happen with any of the women I know in my life but, like, if it were to happen, I wouldn't just be all "YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT THAT'S TOTALLY COOL" if that wasn't what I actually thought, just because they are a woman. I'd assume they are strong enough to handle differing opinions.
And if your girlfriend made a Girly Game with Girly things where you control Girly Girls who do Girly stuff like Brush Their Girly Hair and Girlily Gossip About Girly Things and wear Girly Colours like Pink and Go take Girly mani-pedis, sure, it would be worthy of some criticism of pushing that kind of content just because they are making something aimed at girls. A lot of girls & women like mani-pedis and make-up and doing stuff to their hair and there's absolutely nothing wrong or shameful about that, but that doesn't mean a game aimed at them has to be exclusively about that. Like, you could have those kinds of elements in your game (basically, a character creator), but it'd be a pretty poor game if all you did was that.
And, again, it's not that a SINGLE game will cause anything. It's when it's a LARGE SCALE, COMMON, REGULAR THING that is in tons of games, books, movies, tv series etc. it becomes problematic. "Damsel In Distress" IS still a very common plot-device. It's not even just that it's a harmful plot device, it's that it's a BORING, black & white, one-sided plot device. If you're gonna have a woman be kidnapped, do it like 10 Cloverfield Lane where the kidnapped "princess" shows some initiative and tries to escape herself through the usage of all the tools & opportunities she gets. Give them agency, give them wit, give them a fighting spirit. You can have a man even rescue them but let the kidnapped woman have a role in the saving operation/escape as well, not just be carried off by the hero.
Just because YOU turned out not to be a raging misogynistic ass who can't handle any women in his games doesn't mean it's not a larger issue. Anecdotal experiences are worthless. There are actual studies about these things. About how women view themselves after being exposed to certain kind of content in society. How women shape their behaviour due to certain expectations put on them by society at large. Not all women but enough for there to be a need for a paradigm shift. And boys learn harmful behavioural patterns from movies, hardcore porn etc. that have very little to do with how to interact with real girls/women and everything to do with wish-fulfillment & toxic attitudes by men for men. The world will lose absolutely nothing if we don't have a make-up game ever again and there's, again, EVERYTHING to be gained by giving girls more varied, more meaningful & more thoughtful experiences through gaming, when it comes to what kind of roles they can take & how they are portrayed.
There was just a topic the other day about a guy who sunk a 30k deal because his idiot client made sexist remarks. If that isn't a strange way to navigate a social situation I don't know what is. It's fine to be angry, but that just seems insane to me.
And what if that guy had said "I hope you don't hire any niggers, they are all lazy, worthless criminals"? You'd be ok with keeping working with a person like that? Being assosiated with someone like that?
I just don't take these games designed to be played by children that seriously. Unfortunately I assumed this could become a dog pile which is pretty typical here, you simply have to go along with the echo chamber on all points, or else it becomes a blood bath.
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acting like the victim of some kind of horrible blootbath. Get a fucking grip. You're not a victim here. You're spouting nonsense, making some really logically unsound arguments that have no relation to the topic at hand and undermining real problematic stuff in your entertainment just because you don't think they matter because you didn't turn into a GGer. Even if it's something as "small" as women being princesses to rescue.
