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What do you think of people that hate hip hop and say it’s not music?
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The history of hip hop is fascinating and rich. The very idea that it's not music is, at best, ridiculous and, at worst, racist.
This billboard on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando tells you exactly who says shit like that.
So yeah. Racists.
So yeah. Racists.
There's a difference between not liking the genre and outright dismissing it as not music. The latter being incredibly racist and offensive.
Wow, so many people quick to accuse others of racism. Good forbid it could be anything else.. when I got into it I remember people saying to me they didn't like it because it didn't have proper singing in it, or because it was all samplers and drum machines and not actual instruments. Some people just have a very narrow idea of what music is.
Personally I find it rock music tedious. Hip hop for me was main genre that pushed music forward, it doesn't have one sound. I eventually moved to instrumental Hip hop but I still love it.
Personally I find it rock music tedious. Hip hop for me was main genre that pushed music forward, it doesn't have one sound. I eventually moved to instrumental Hip hop but I still love it.
I can't take anyone serious if they claim it is not music. Even if you don't enjoy it, it is definitely music.
How does your uncle lean politically?
How does your uncle lean politically?
my vinyl copy of that is autographed by the entire group <3
Ignorant, pretentious and - probably - racist.
Example: "I don't like rap music but I love Eminem"
Example: "I don't like rap music but I love Eminem"
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Quite often it's thinly disguised racism, especially when they say stuff like "I hate rap, but Eminem/Beastie Boys are pretty okay".
However, I also feel like a part of it is some extremely misguided idea of what music is. Often the same people that claim hip hop isn't "real music", will also claim electronic music or pop music isn't real music, because it was "made on a computer" or "written by a team of writers and not the singer her/himself".
However, I also feel like a part of it is some extremely misguided idea of what music is. Often the same people that claim hip hop isn't "real music", will also claim electronic music or pop music isn't real music, because it was "made on a computer" or "written by a team of writers and not the singer her/himself".
This is my answer. They lost the "argument" years ago. It's like arguing with flat earthers.
I dealt with this shit a lot growing up in my old neighborhood.
I learned to ask them what music is to them. At best, I remember getting a pompous asshole who thinks anything that isn't Jazz or Classical music "is not real music" but that only happened once. My old music teacher loathed just about everything from The Beatles to NWA. The only "modern" music I remember her liking was The Wu Tang Clan funny enough.
Every other time it would be a bigot caught off guard.
I learned to ask them what music is to them. At best, I remember getting a pompous asshole who thinks anything that isn't Jazz or Classical music "is not real music" but that only happened once. My old music teacher loathed just about everything from The Beatles to NWA. The only "modern" music I remember her liking was The Wu Tang Clan funny enough.
Every other time it would be a bigot caught off guard.
I assume they're racist.
Hip hop is far from my favorite genre, and I'm much more into rock and blues. But to imply that it's not music or it's inferior to whatever other genres seems pretty straightforwardly ignorant and most likely racist to me.
Hip hop is far from my favorite genre, and I'm much more into rock and blues. But to imply that it's not music or it's inferior to whatever other genres seems pretty straightforwardly ignorant and most likely racist to me.
nah they just think that the song is good because of Billy Ray Cyrus...literally had someone tell me this. It's sad how much in denial these people are especially when now you hear about how pervasive hip hop is in other genre's of music.
That's me growing up. I really disliked the lyrics of 90s rap and that was the only thing I knew of rap.
Then there was some tribe mentality too, rock vs hip-hop kind of thing and it's really easy as a kid to fall into that trap.
I used to complain they all sounded similar to me (like pop actually)
However calling it "non music" is nonsense. My 50yo christian AF music teacher at school actually publicly scolded a classmate when they said they didn't like all rap.
I don't particularly like Hip Hop but it definitely is music and filled with a ton of talented artists.
I've never heard any one dismiss it as not music though. I've heard a lot of people dismiss a lot of metal music as not "true" metal music, but I think that's just dumb genre fans and not racist people like Op is describing.
I've never heard any one dismiss it as not music though. I've heard a lot of people dismiss a lot of metal music as not "true" metal music, but I think that's just dumb genre fans and not racist people like Op is describing.
It's narrow-minded to hate all of it and it's factually wrong to say it's not music. I think people often jump to the racism accusation a little too quickly, though. A lot of people that hate hip hop don't hold the same negative opinions of other genres with lots of black performers, and plenty of white people hate genres associated with white people like country and metal. Music brings out people's snobbery in general.
I don't fuck with anyone that says that dumb shit. Don't like it? Cool.
But the attempt to delegitimize an entire genre of music that's been analyzed time and time again by scholars as music? I don't fuck with anyone who's that bigoted.
Last time someone said that to me my response was to shit on their death metal for the same reason "I can't understand that shit". They shut the fuck up real quick.
But the attempt to delegitimize an entire genre of music that's been analyzed time and time again by scholars as music? I don't fuck with anyone who's that bigoted.
Last time someone said that to me my response was to shit on their death metal for the same reason "I can't understand that shit". They shut the fuck up real quick.
One possible response is "cool hot take from 1999"
another possible response is "cool diet racist take"
another possible response is "cool diet racist take"
I'm not into new hip hop stuff not my jam but I do like living color,bob marley and hendrix,some older stuff like digital underground and de la soul.
It really depends honestly. Some people are clearly being fucking racist shit bags. But then there are some that are a little more old school that see talent when it comes to music as being able to play an instrument or sing, and thats it.
I think a lot of them are either musicians themselves, or just people who dont see rapping as an actual skill and are just a little more old school, if that makes sense. My dad was a drummer his whole life, and he cant stand hip hop. He has those same complaints that it doesnt take any talent, when in reality, I think the talent behind it just goes over the older generation's head.
Its the same way people dog on guys with laptops on a stage "performing" their song. People dont see pressing buttons and turning knobs as being difficult enough to be classified as a talent.
I think a lot of them are either musicians themselves, or just people who dont see rapping as an actual skill and are just a little more old school, if that makes sense. My dad was a drummer his whole life, and he cant stand hip hop. He has those same complaints that it doesnt take any talent, when in reality, I think the talent behind it just goes over the older generation's head.
Its the same way people dog on guys with laptops on a stage "performing" their song. People dont see pressing buttons and turning knobs as being difficult enough to be classified as a talent.
Ahistorical losers. How are you gonna be a fan of rock, a genre that was also labeled as invalid by an older generation, and do exactly the same thing, with zero self awareness? I can understand it not being your thing, but saying a genre of music is invalid because you don't like it is self absorbed and I assume you're a Ben Shapiro level shithead.
You mean a white rapper? I don't really listen to those radio stations, not sure what you're referencing.
I mean, I used to be super dumb and hated Hip Hop entirely and such. Was a big Rock fan, etc. Though not exclusively Classic.
But I wouldn't ever say it's not music. That's insane. May not be my favorite, but it's certainly music. I think that unfortunately, like many have already mentioned, it's a race thing most of the time.
But I wouldn't ever say it's not music. That's insane. May not be my favorite, but it's certainly music. I think that unfortunately, like many have already mentioned, it's a race thing most of the time.
Not a fan myself, but dismissing it as not music is completely ignorant and yes, racist.
also as a sidenote, when I was growing up, radio stations would advertise "music without the rap" or something like that. Looking back on it now, would you say that was racist? I'm starting to think it was.
also as a sidenote, when I was growing up, radio stations would advertise "music without the rap" or something like that. Looking back on it now, would you say that was racist? I'm starting to think it was.
As an aside, it cracks me up about everyone talking about him as if he were an up-and-coming country star, breaking into a white-only genre, bringing new ideas, etc. All because they only listened to one song on YouTube (and, as mentioned earlier, probably only the remix). Clearly none of them actually listened to the rest of the EP. If they did, they would have noticed "Old Town Road" was the outlier, the one-off. The rest of it is much more traditional hip-hop/rap (such as I can see, I'm not deep into hip-hop by any stretch).
It's weird that I felt like some kind of hipster in knowing about the other songs like "Panini" and "Rodeo" long before they were ever released as singles, and I wasn't shocked to find that his second single wasn't another country song.. lol.
Incidentally, I like the OG version of "Old Town Road" better than the remix. The remix seems like too much of a push to get the song "accepted" by country audiences (aka white people). Which right there also reiterates the source of the "that ain't music" attitude... that only a white man could make a black man's music "country". Maybe that's a bit much, these are just rambling thoughts at this point.
White people have always tried to gatekeep art from non-white people.
Jazz wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
Blues/Rock wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
R&B wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
Rinse. Repeat.
Jazz wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
Blues/Rock wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
R&B wasn't considered valued art.
-Until white people slowly came around to it.
Rinse. Repeat.
This billboard on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando tells you exactly who says shit like that.
So yeah. Racists.
Specifically, racists that think Comic Sans is a perfectly fine font to advertise a business, which is like it's own special circle of hell. *shiver*
99%+ odds that they're racists. Something less than 1% chance that they're just monumentally stupid.
either just never gave it a chance or racist.
how can you listen to the message and say it's not music lol
how can you listen to the message and say it's not music lol
I have a lot of friends who don't like rap music, but they don't hate it either and I've never had a reason to suspect them of racism. My drummer hates it, which is weird because he's a REALLY good drummer and you would think he'd have an appreciation for some of the best rhythm in the game.
My early dislike for rap was more of a lack of exposure and my teenage insistence of only listening to one type of music. I think it was one of the early Bonnaroo's with Galactic performing with a bunch of rap artists all night that I "got it". Maybe I just needed to hear it loud with people dancing all around me... on mushrooms and weed. Anyway, we're good, I was wrong, my drummer is STILL wrong, I'mma write him a rap song.
My early dislike for rap was more of a lack of exposure and my teenage insistence of only listening to one type of music. I think it was one of the early Bonnaroo's with Galactic performing with a bunch of rap artists all night that I "got it". Maybe I just needed to hear it loud with people dancing all around me... on mushrooms and weed. Anyway, we're good, I was wrong, my drummer is STILL wrong, I'mma write him a rap song.
I don't really care unless it comes with obvious dogwhistling statements like using the term "jungle music" (heard that irl) or this guy who said he normally hates hip-hop except Tom MacDonald who "actually says something".
That's of course a very superficial reading of both genres but whenever I hear someone complain rap has too much talk of money and sex I point out a lot of county songs do too, they just phrase it in different ways.
Honestly I think rap and country kind of cross paths more often than not. For all their differences I think they go well together, especially as a lot of traditional country and hip-hop sort of touch upon similar ideas but from different cultural perspectives...i.e. both genres have a lot of songs dealing with masculine identity and the idea of being successful.
That's of course a very superficial reading of both genres but whenever I hear someone complain rap has too much talk of money and sex I point out a lot of county songs do too, they just phrase it in different ways.
