What do I feel? Snake got robbed! That's how I feel. They made a big stink about Snake not having "Real" guns for brawl but now everyone can have a gun. (Booooo!)
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What do you think about Persona 5's Joker shooting people with a realistic-looking gun in Smash Bros?
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The issue with Bayonetta's is that they have those big crystals in the middle. They're obviously not real guns even if they're seemingly shooting bullets.
Like Tom & Jerry shooting people with guns. Not that big of a deal as long as nothing brutal happens because it is a family game.
I'm just saying it's not a real gun in the context of either reality or the demon world.
Daily reminder that Joker is a gun-toting, trenchcoat-wearing high school student who talks about bringing down the establishment and only dates Japanese women and girls.
Doomguy without the shotgun or chainsaw is no Doomguy to me.
But we got Joker here with a realistic handgun. Double barrel shotgun should be fine now let's go
Doomguy ot Master Chief in this fighter pass or I'm disappointed
Won't somebody think of the children?
Joking aside, doesn't Snake have some sort of a proper gun?
Joking aside, doesn't Snake have some sort of a proper gun?
TBF aesthetic and visual identity of Bayo's guns muddle it heavily
Joker's gun is canonically fake, but in terms of combat and design, that little * doesn't really actually matter at all.
Guns(and most weapons) in P3-P5 have always been stupid and weirdly childish though
I don't think the issue was ever how real the gun looks (while Bayonetta's guns look less realistic than Joker's, I'd still say they look realistic enough), but rather how realistic the gunfire is. They straight up removed the bullets from Bayonetta's guns in Smash, and it looks like Joker doesn't actually fire bullets either, instead opting for a stylish flash upon firing. It works for characters from more flashy, less realistic franchises like Bayonetta and Persona, but not so much for stuff like Metal Gear or Resident Evil, I'd say.
No, only a rocket launcher and grenades/explosives.
Out of smash, yes, many.
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Chris Redfield's guns in MvC3 have a flashy effect to them, and he works perfectly fine there.
I don't think it's a matter of tonal consistency with the source material. I think Sakurai has just relaxed a bit on this front. Back in the Brawl days, he also said he didn't like the idea of people playing as their Miis and beating up each other. That obviously changed with Smash 4. I think something similar happened here.
I recall him once saying that he gave Snake heavy ordnance because explosions can still be "cartoony," but he withheld Snake's firearms because they were realistic-looking. Now we have Joker with an airsoft gun that looks like, and may as well be a real gun. I think Sakurai is just easing up on this matter.
First thing I thought of.Fix Snake, you cowards
I didn't know Joker used firearms, but I'm glad, this should let previously thought untouchable characters be possible, I'd really love to see Dante from DMC show up now.
Bold of you to assume Kirby has never wielded a gun before.
someone should compile all the times Kirby has used a gun.
I can understand how this might normalize guns to an impressionable kid or not be cool with some parents, but Smash Bros. is far from the most prominent or visible game showing off guns as cool or powerful.
Also, in a world where we have shit like that "Rape Day" game being accessible to anyone online, Joker having a gun in Smash Bros. is not gaming or media's biggest problem with normalizing violence, lol.
EDIT: I think Joker being paid DLC also plays a factor. If any parents of young children that play Smash Bros think Joker's gun is inappropriate for their kid, they've made it easy enough to just skip this particular fighter pack.
Also, in a world where we have shit like that "Rape Day" game being accessible to anyone online, Joker having a gun in Smash Bros. is not gaming or media's biggest problem with normalizing violence, lol.
EDIT: I think Joker being paid DLC also plays a factor. If any parents of young children that play Smash Bros think Joker's gun is inappropriate for their kid, they've made it easy enough to just skip this particular fighter pack.
i imagine the justification is the same as it was in p5, which is something like "appearance makes reality". so i you think you have a real gun, it becomes one in the subconcious world.
and even if it didn't, i have no problems with it. kids know games are not real, and it's not real enough to inflict any sort of trauma on players.
and even if it didn't, i have no problems with it. kids know games are not real, and it's not real enough to inflict any sort of trauma on players.
snake very explicitly doeasn't use a gun, though.
I was curious if anyone was going to say something about this. It was a bit weird at first, but then i thought about bayonetta who technically has the same thing
so I was ok with it.
so I was ok with it.
It's somewhat jarring. Snake is a super spy so it makes sense for him to use firearms and explosives.
I remember people saying that the reason why Snake didn't got a semi-automatic pistol as one of his attacks was exactly because it would look "too realistic". The OP's point that, with Joker neutral b, that argument is gone
The number of people who don't actually read the original post is always funny. I think it's fine and like you said potentially opens the doors for other unexpected characters to join.
ITS MEANS DOOM SLAYER HAS A CHANCE! And yeah despite the lore of both games for all intents and purposes its just a fucking handgun which we originally thought was off limits.
I thought the reason why the model guns worked in P5 was because the enmies believed they were real in their cognition. As long as joker and friends acted like they were real the enemies would percieve then as real. How does work in smash, with characters that have no notion of what a gun is? How does Mario know what a gun is? Sakurai pls
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