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What do you expect from Cyberpunk 2077's gunplay?
- Thread starter SofNascimento
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I think it will have the best gunplay we've seen in the immersive sim/FPS RPG genre. It will be better than the new Deus Ex games, Bioshock, Prey, Fallout, etc but it's not going to be better or on par with something like DOOM or Destiny.
Some people compared it to Borderlands, which is more than okay for me especially in a game where shooting is secondary.
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That's an arbitrary distinction. ME2 and ME3 are very much RPGs, structured in a third person shooter framework. Just like Cyberpunk 2077 with be an RPG structured in a FPS one.
Stats and build choices play a much larger role in the gameplay sandbox of CBP2077. On top of that the roleplaying in Mass Effect 2 and 3 boils down paragon or renegade because the aim was to be as cinematic as possible even at the expense of the moment to moment roleplaying right down to the part where it's impossible to do anything in ME's combat encounters besides playing it like a TPS with super power moves.
When you guys are talking about "gunplay" do you mean "combat movement"? Because, imo, what makes games like DOOM2016/Eternal and Titanfall 2 feel so good is the movement. All of the CP2077 footage I've seen shows fun looking weapons and good hit reactions but the character is essentially stock still the whole time. If that's the case, then yeah it'll probably be kind of mediocre.
From the looks of it the core gunplay seems quite competent with some key weaknesses that persist throughout, but the RPG layer seems to go at odds with it and will mostly make it worst (similar to TW3). In the end though I think it has potential to be a lot better with Mods and self-limiting (ie: Difficulty settings, avoiding some abusive perks or playstyles, ect...). Guaranteed people will whine about it and all the big post-launch patches will tweak things
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It doesn't. You can make a case ME3 became to simplistic in its dialogue options, but not ME2. You generally had a full spectre of choices that allowed you to approach the situation in many ways, that you had a Paragon/Renegade meter doesn't influence that. And Mass Effect didn't offer the multitude of choices of a immersive sim, but its combat was much more than simply shooting enemies, the "super powers" offered a entire new avenue of gameplay that is not present in most shooters. And mind you, all CDPR games have the same aim of being as cinematic as possible.
Moreover, when the shooting starts, Cyberpunk will be the same "FPS with super powers". More importantly, we are comparing two games separated by 10 years. Even if you could make the point that ME2's gunplay is less constrained than Cyberpunk's, which I wouldn't agree, that technological gap more than makes up for it.
In short, if Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't have great gunplay, it's not the fault of any technical aspect or gameplay choice. Maybe not as good as dediacted FPS (even if I do believe it could) but anything below the second option in the poll comes down to vision alone.
The many ways boiled down to different ways to kill people instead of say, having viable non lethal or outright no kill builds.
Cyberpunk promise to be one hell of an immersive sim title though and we've seen ample evidence that they're succeeding on that front in spite of the aim to also be more cinematic than the average FP RPG.
There are RPGs that came out around the same time as ME that are much more RPG than shooter though. So the time period it released in was not the issue at all.
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I won't say that design is outdated, but that design is outdated. I don't expect it to be in Cyberpunk 2077 at all. I feel that talk of it being a RPG not a FPS to be pure marketing stuff, like the "no MTX" stuff. Clearly from the gameplay this is a game that wants to have the player engaged in firefights, and that's what matters.
Well, there are people who say GTA5's gunplay is terrible, and it has a... successful shall we say, multiplayer mode. Personally I think GTA5 gunplay to be very good.
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That doesn't affect the quality of gunplay. In both cases, you have more concerns to adress rather than simply making the guns feel good to shoot.
And Mass Effect premise was to be an hell of an RPG. Again, trivial argument when it comes to gunplay. At least to a certain level of quality. Again, I do think saying it can't be as good as the best to be a valid argument. Just not that it will be avarage because it also does other stuff.
I don't follow. The qualification of x% RPG and y% shooter is very much close to arbitrary. Would you say ME1 is more of a RPG than ME2? It wasn't. It just had bad mechanics associated with traditional RPGs. Many RPG since then (and before) tried to frame their game in a more action oriented structure. Just look at Fallout 4 compared to Fallout 3. And this is what Cyberpunk 2077 is trying to do.
I mean, it looks fine. If you go in expecting DOOM quality gunplay, like a few somehow expect bayonetta quality action from witcher, then yes you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
I don't expect it to be nearly as bad as Elder scrolls open world combat or FO4. somewhere in between based on the vids we've seen.
I don't expect it to be nearly as bad as Elder scrolls open world combat or FO4. somewhere in between based on the vids we've seen.
I don't think its going to be that direct of a copy but I definitely except shades of the deus ex mechanics in there. You can still engage in firefights but the weapons/skills that you use in the firefights will depends on skills you level up with a sense of progression that encourages multiple play throughs. I highly doubt you'll be able to use every weapon/skill in one playthrough like DOOM.
I don't think it'll handle as buttery smooth as something like COD or Titanfall or anything, it's such a massive game with so many intertwining systems that focus probably went to a lot of other things.
At the same time it's been in development for a long time and I think they've learned a lot from other shooters on the market and upped their combat game since TW3. I think it'll be fun to play and probably won't get boring.
At the same time it's been in development for a long time and I think they've learned a lot from other shooters on the market and upped their combat game since TW3. I think it'll be fun to play and probably won't get boring.
It absolutely does affect the quality of the gameplay. Because literally every scenario is centered around a shooting gallery and there are way less systems, stats, and approaches to consider.
In any game with tons of systems sacrifices inherently have to be made in comparison to games with less systems.
ME1 absolutely is more of an RPG than the later two titles. If anything that's straight up the biggest criticism from fans of the first game was that there was less of an emphasis on the RPG. Many people also agree that FO4, strictly as an RPG, is a downgrade from past FO games, especially when it comes to the dialogue system.
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I think you might be right. Although I expect it to be flexible rather than restrictive. More like ME3 than ME2 borrowing from my other discussion. What I fully don't expect is your aim to be a result of stats.
Just like ME2 had to consider a lot of different powers and how they interact with the environments and enemies. And system and stats are analogues to "super powers". I mean, what stat in Cyberpunk 2077 will impede a good gunplay? What system would make it harder to make good combat? I think you have a point with the approach scenario, when you have enemies that need to react to much more than simply being shot at you can have limitations other shooters don't have. But you can still have superb gunplay in such context, as a game like No One Lives Forever 2 proves. Or more recently Prey, which doesn't have top tier shoting, but it's great.
And you can still have great gunplay. Maybe not good as dedicated shooters? Possibly. But still great.
It's absolutely not. It just has superficial elements that are associate with traditional RPGs that can give the impression of it being that.
Combat feel certainly wasn't CDPR's strength with the Witcher games. From what we've seen, I think the gunplay will be acceptable and fun enough (better than Bethesda-tier). But certainly won't replace CoD or Destiny in that respect.
DOOM Eternal it will not be.
Like The Witcher 3, combat will be serviceable in a game focused on so, so much more.
Like The Witcher 3, combat will be serviceable in a game focused on so, so much more.
Any gunplay footage makes it easy to see it will be stiff as hell, but it won't be a dealbreaker
About the same from what I expected of Witcher 3's combat, which is not much, but as usual the combat gameplay isn't what I'm buying into when it comes to CDProjekt games. As long as it is solid I don't really care. I will be pursuing plenty of pacifist options anyway
Expecting serviceable, hoping for solid.
From the videos, it looks pretty satisfying, but it could only be a handful of games, and/or bullet sponge enemies/huge HP bars could ruin it.
From the videos, it looks pretty satisfying, but it could only be a handful of games, and/or bullet sponge enemies/huge HP bars could ruin it.
It's visible in a few instances in the recent night city wire footage.
What do I expect? I feel like most of the time when First Person games aren't dedicated shooters the gunplay usually lags behind the standards set by proper FPS. So I'm expecting the gunplay to be passable. On the level of something like Eidos Montreal's Deus Ex games.
I do like the look of what we've seen though, so I'm hopeful that the combat will be surprisingly good.
I do like the look of what we've seen though, so I'm hopeful that the combat will be surprisingly good.
