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What do people think of Harley Quinn being an Anti-Hero
- Thread starter PhoenixAKG
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When you have characters like Vegeta or Sasuke I sorta accept them as anti heroes despite what they have done, because of how powerful they are.
You can't really throw them in prison, and they are too useful to just ignore or be on bad terms with.
Harley is just a crazy person who can do back flips and shit.
She doesn't exactly bring a lot to the Justice Leagues table, even on a good day.
I don't know why THIS of all things is where I draw the line, but here we are.
You can't really throw them in prison, and they are too useful to just ignore or be on bad terms with.
Harley is just a crazy person who can do back flips and shit.
She doesn't exactly bring a lot to the Justice Leagues table, even on a good day.
I don't know why THIS of all things is where I draw the line, but here we are.
I'm not sure what Shiva is doing nowadays, but otherwise those are the main ones I think of as well. But Shiva has also gone back and forth as an ally.
I do wish there were more female Batman villains, particularly ones not so tied to a male character like Harley and Talia and ones that are not also a love interest for Bruce. I just really want new villains across the board.
I honestly view anything after season 3 as an alternate universe. Up to that point, it's the definitive Batman. After that? It spins its wheels, goes in some very odd directions, radically redesigned many characters, and gave us some legit cringy things like the Bruce/Barbara relationship which makes my stomach churn.
I think Injustice handled that better than most, by also showing how she repurposed her own Harley image to be an inspiration for her own clan of anti-heroes.
This is exactly it right here.
Her character going in any other direction makes no sense.
But fuck that non-canon comic about her murdering tons of school children. Whoever wrote that needs help.
Harley in the White Knight and Curse of the White Knight Black Label series is a really interesting take on the character that I enjoy.
I found it a little off putting how the show still wants to make it seem like she's a good person even though a few episodes ago she murdered a bunch of people for fun.
Because "fuck him, that shit's mine now."
Which, ya know, I do get.
I don't know about "redeemable," but the Harley Quinn animated show has Joker
finding true love and enjoying life as a suburban dad.
It's a character turn I did not expect.
not major, but all his current female villains are pretty creepy. Jane Doe for example.
hmm the combination i guess. he was always this gross yet sinister pure evil type. it was genius how they made him into an anti hero but you gotta wonder what happened to his crimes before.
Harley was never a real bad guy though so it kind of works. They keep stressing that in the DCU show and even Harley herself says she's not really a supervillain and not even Batman and tbe JL see her as that anymore.
I'm ok with this, she makes a more compelling character as an anti hero than as Jokers sidekick or solo villain.
I'm ok with this, she makes a more compelling character as an anti hero than as Jokers sidekick or solo villain.
Harley Quinn's animated show is one of the best things to come out of this year
His name is FRANK and he was probably high as hell
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"The joker made me kill all those people ;-;"
And all handweaving of her agency and responsibility is odd.
And all handweaving of her agency and responsibility is odd.
I've been reading cape comics long enough that I dont necessarily get in a twist about publishers trying to turn popular villains into heroes/anti-heroes anymore...but with Harley my nerd issue with the attempts to reform her basically comes down to what does she really bring to the table as a hero? She kinda nuts and she has a big hammer? The editorial mandate to make this character good so that we can put them in more books just seems extra transparent when you're talking about a strictly ground level character who can suddenly hang with the Justice League.
I prefer her to be an insane loon, she kills people and does it in entertaining ways is all I really need for her and joker stories.
Making her more sane loses the appeal of her character it just feels like a completely different person now.
I also really dislike her new outfit, her jester outfit in the tv show was the best for me.
Making her more sane loses the appeal of her character it just feels like a completely different person now.
I also really dislike her new outfit, her jester outfit in the tv show was the best for me.
Quinn was first conceived in the animated series and 2 years later they were flirting with the idea themselves. It made sense back then even though they didn't commit to it so I don't have an issue with the parent company running with that idea for all it is worth.
The only thing that stands out with Harley compared to other anti-heroes is that she doesn't go through a redemption arc. She's not atoning for any past sins. She's not confronted with her past actions. This happened back then in the original BTAS and I'm seeing this dynamic now.
She just decided to not do everything Joker did and doesn't have a problem not being a murderous psychopath. Considering her personality and motivations to be with the Joker it wasn't difficult to believe she could flip like this.
The only thing that stands out with Harley compared to other anti-heroes is that she doesn't go through a redemption arc. She's not atoning for any past sins. She's not confronted with her past actions. This happened back then in the original BTAS and I'm seeing this dynamic now.
She just decided to not do everything Joker did and doesn't have a problem not being a murderous psychopath. Considering her personality and motivations to be with the Joker it wasn't difficult to believe she could flip like this.
I have no issue with it, she's a fun interesting character. She like most characters have multiple takes on who/what they are.
I do find it funny how people here can't move on with some of the past stuff. Yall even know what some of the horrible shit heroes have done? Everything is pretty fluid in comic land. Remove things that dont work, add things to make it better.
For Harley, DC seems to be going with redemption or healing being part of her core. Which works, cause she's a victim of Joker herself in most cases. But as we've seen in the recent Harley show....it doesn't automatically translate in to making her a good person.
I do find it funny how people here can't move on with some of the past stuff. Yall even know what some of the horrible shit heroes have done? Everything is pretty fluid in comic land. Remove things that dont work, add things to make it better.
For Harley, DC seems to be going with redemption or healing being part of her core. Which works, cause she's a victim of Joker herself in most cases. But as we've seen in the recent Harley show....it doesn't automatically translate in to making her a good person.
I liked it but I'm getting tired of the extreme push she is getting.
Kinda wish she would go back to classic Harley for a while
Kinda wish she would go back to classic Harley for a while
You're going to be so disappointed in comics if you try to make sense of whatever the hell the publishers try to do from story to story. Best to not put much thought into it, and if it does bug you your best bet is to find a story you love and just read that.
Who tf knows with Harley. She's bad, she's good, she's lesbian, she's straight, she's bi, she's crazy, she's not...shes been a tug of war for years and she's really now just a delivery method for whatever stupid (or decent) story they want to tell.
Who tf knows with Harley. She's bad, she's good, she's lesbian, she's straight, she's bi, she's crazy, she's not...shes been a tug of war for years and she's really now just a delivery method for whatever stupid (or decent) story they want to tell.