Someone doing wake-up super doesn't make it a comeback mechanic.
Stun/dizzy is an anti-comeback mechanic and therefore automatically Daigo and lucebuce approved.
It is when it isn't balanced....
You guys get me lol...The 50/50 situation in SFV just killed it for me. I can only play in short burst now. Speaking of, when the next update I haven't played in months?
Well there are good grabs and bad grabs:
Zeku slide into vtrigger is actual minus if he late cancels it (which is what most people do to make sure they're not cancelling into VT on hit). You can learn how it looks and take your turn with a bit of practice.
That's not a hot take. I spent 20 years helping build the fighting game scene in this country. Comeback mechanics as they were implemented in IV and V are a severe detriment to the game and scene as a whole.
I know, thats why i seperated + after blocked cancel and slides. slides should not be able to get cancelled into vtrigger period imo. its just something that i don't like to see
Yet SFIV was the game with the biggest boom in the scene, and the Tekken game that introduced similar type of comeback mechanic is also the Tekken game with the biggest ever Tekken scene in the west. I hate comeback mechanics as much as the next guy, but lets not kid our selves, if they didn't bring more people into the games, they at least didn't prevent the scenes from growing.
u got sauce for thatSee the excitement and sense of accomplishment when Abigail CC confirm into VT. And yes this combo did kill
See the excitement and sense of accomplishment when Abigail CC confirm into VT. And yes this combo did kill
Just gonna mention that this wouldn't kill in the current iteration of SF5, both crush counters and v-trigger cancels add extra scaling to the combo now.See the excitement and sense of accomplishment when Abigail CC confirm into VT. And yes this combo did kill
Eh, that's what? Less than 60% with all stocks and a Crush Counter? Really not that unusual in fighting games to die for that after a big counter-hit.See the excitement and sense of accomplishment when Abigail CC confirm into VT. And yes this combo did kill
Yeah, I mean everyone's entitled to their own opinion, too. I guess.Reading some of these takes and people thinking they know what the hell a mechanic actually is
Those games boomed because of the fighting game drought. These titles reinvigorated the genre and all the flashiness and comeback mechanics were just icing on the cake.
I don't completely agree with this. It is easier to balance SFV characters because of individual VTriggers than it is to balance SF4 characters. What is there to change for SF4 characters? You can only go so far in modifying hit/hurt boxes and frame advantage when there are already more lopsided (6-4, 7-3) match ups than there are in SFV. Almost half the characters don't benefit greatly from focus attack cancels. You need to burn red focus attack cancels to get some nice confirms, but they are so scaled and gimped by that point in USF4.
I think the balance is mostly good in this game, but Capcom definitely creates problems for characters for no reason. Vega as you mentioned, Alex getting neutered just because after Season 1. The fact that Juri could be even more solid than she already is while still remaining mid tier with literally 2 or 3 QOL fixes (why does her medium DP just decide not to land sometimes?) etc but then they decide to give Rashid more oki because....?
Man, sometimes I have to realize at least I had a whole season of top tier Ken and throw loops in the corner after that. What they did to Vega, Ryu, etc...is just a travesty. Again, on paper, they might be looking at the characters and saying they are balanced. But when V-trigger are so unique, and how each character utilizes tools so different, they got increasingly worse with every season when characters like Cammy and Mika kept getting buffed to where they almost never had a low tier season. I'm still not sure how Capcom was even balancing as there foreward for SFV was "they aren't going to nerf really but buff weaker characters". Not sure when that changed, but yeah, I'm pretty much done with the game until 6 at this point. The game DOES NOT reward you for sticking with a favorite lol.
Two players having access to the same tools doesn't mean that the tool itself isn't dumb.
what? How does this argue against the tool being bad?
Sam Sho 2, didn't say anything about it being a current FGC staple. I think Breakers was also ones that had a few of those bullet points.
Is Cammy still stupid good? Feels like people have been complaining about her since the game came out.
what? Mika has been consistently good. Cammy has been great/top tier for the majority of the game's release. That's my point. I'm not talking about nerfs/buffs and change list in a vacuum, I'm talking about the game's full rosters never being truly balanced and the same characters always being consistently good when Vega has been bad since S1. Ryu went from top tier to bottom in one season etc...The balance is whacky. And the top 1% of the population who plays the game isn't the only measuring stick for balance. Case in point Bison and Balrog are considerably harder to defend against online that offline, and almost need separate tiers (online tier/offline tier) to classify how good they are. And if you happen to pick a favorite that didn't hit the top tier lottery, how is what I said not true? You aren't going to get rewarded for sticking it out when your fav, it's just randomly based on Capcom's tweaks.
Nothing?
Thanks for the clarification. Felt like 90% of the complaints I remember hearing about the game a year or so ago were about Cammy's crazy pressure.
I can understand that. I love the game since it got me in the fgc but I understand that its not everyone's game. I feel like thats the thing with SF game in general. Each SF game is unique and not everyone will be into it. SFV isnt perfect at all but I still love it very much.
Hey man, hopefully I'll see you in SF6! lol...V will always have a place in my heart as well. I had S1 Ken and throw loops in the corner for a year! and for half a second a safe on block OH lol...
