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What can Ubisoft bring to the table with their inevitable Japan setting after Ghost of Tsushima?
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Some of the map icons will be shaped like samurai helmets and there might be other map icons with kanji on them.
Could have asked the same about Valhalla and the easy comparison to God of War. It brought a lot to the table. The environment is unique but it does have similar aesthetics. Assassins creed gameplay is unique and if it can tell a story worth while, it'll be good on its own. But we've been talking about AC going to feudal Japan since the first game came out and they still haven't gone there, so I'm not counting on it.
I agree with you and the modern romance of his exploits are bordering on insanity, but the perspective is to look at Nobunaga Oda in the same light that Westerners may be more familiar with, such as Julius Caesar. Much like Caesar, some of Oda's tactics & warfare introductions changed the landscape of a region that was at the behest of "warlords" for over a century; something they had not really experienced for a thousand years.
Oda was a daimyo who; went toe-to-toe completely outnumbered with a huge force of the Imagawa and that battle was the catalyst for that powerful clan's ultimate demise, marched on the capital while his land's backside was completely open to clans such as Takeda and Hojo save for diplomacy measures, defeated the oft-lauded Takeda cavalry in one of the first major use of firearms in Japanese warfare, and literally could not have been stopped on the road of unification until he was "assassinated" by his general Mitsuhide.
There's a lot to say about the man but he was clearly a gifted tactician. Unfortunately as much as he excelled in military exploits, he was equally as vicious to his opponents. The same could be said of all the greatest military leaders throughout history. But without Oda's time & place in history, who knows what Japan could have been like; after all his life lead to the Tokugawa shogunate & Edo period, Bakumatsu turmoil, Meiji era & consequent Restoration, which leads to where Japan sits today. The ripples of Oda's choices, success, and demise run very deep.
Have you played an Assassins creed game? Some random using an animus to go into the past do stuff, kill people, avenge someone, then done until next assassins game
Microtransactions and bloat.
Seriously though, Ubisoft's open world titles have nose dived in quality in recent times so I doubt they'd even be able to match the quality of something like GoT at this point, never mind offer anything new or worthwhile in any similar title.
Seriously though, Ubisoft's open world titles have nose dived in quality in recent times so I doubt they'd even be able to match the quality of something like GoT at this point, never mind offer anything new or worthwhile in any similar title.
after all, suckerpunch games are just a "ubisfot template child", just look at infamous
Ubisoft (a company still run by someone who protected the former top designer, a known sexpest and also the father of a studiohead who used BLM signs in a Tom Clancy game in a way only conspiracy theorists are actually talking about BLM) would as always clutter their game full of their usual shit, MTX and repetitive missions.
Hahaha, a lot of cynical replies in this thread but I gotta agree. For a serious answer though - an emphasis on Japanese folklore and myth would set it apart from Got (though GoT did have that great MP mode that covered some of it). I think they'd be better off doing a Romance of the Three Kingdoms story in China.
Get the rights to Lady Snowblood and just make an open world Lady Snowblood game:
- Female protagonist.
- Amazing Meiko Kaji music.
- Fight scenes where you swing across chandeliers.
- Stylish settings during the Meiji period.
- Your sword is also an umbrella.
- The sequel could use the greatest sequel subtitle ever put on film: "Love Song of Vengeance."
- REVENGE!!!
Its going to be a fight between them and the eventual Ghosts of Japan game.
Ghosts of Tsushima got so may tings so right that the eventual sequel will fix the issues and keep everything great from GoT.
If Ubi just do AC but in Japan, without al the cultural context GoT have, then I dont really see what they can add new to the table.
Ghosts of Tsushima got so may tings so right that the eventual sequel will fix the issues and keep everything great from GoT.
If Ubi just do AC but in Japan, without al the cultural context GoT have, then I dont really see what they can add new to the table.
Get the rights to Lady Snowblood and just make an open world Lady Snowblood game:
- Female protagonist.
- Amazing Meiko Kaji music.
- Fight scenes where you swing across chandeliers.
- Stylish settings during the Meiji period.
- Your sword is also an umbrella.
- The sequel could use the greatest sequel subtitle ever put on film: "Love Song of Vengeance."
- REVENGE!!!
You have my umbrella.
Here are some easy ways to differentiate the games:
1) Set the game in the Edo period, rather than the twilight of the Kamakura period.
2) Have the game take place in one of the major cities of Japan at the time such as Edo or Kyoto.
3) Have a protagonist who is NOT a samurai! Radical, I know, but there are tons of options. A member of a rising merchant family, a Kabuki actor, or such would make a great character to fit a period where the samurai were sliding into irrelevancy.
4) Since the protagonist is someone who is legally barred from owning or carrying a sword, focus on more underhanded combat methods.
I doubt Ubisoft would go this route though. It would require stepping away from the stereotype that a game set in Japan has to be about samurai.
1) Set the game in the Edo period, rather than the twilight of the Kamakura period.
2) Have the game take place in one of the major cities of Japan at the time such as Edo or Kyoto.
3) Have a protagonist who is NOT a samurai! Radical, I know, but there are tons of options. A member of a rising merchant family, a Kabuki actor, or such would make a great character to fit a period where the samurai were sliding into irrelevancy.
4) Since the protagonist is someone who is legally barred from owning or carrying a sword, focus on more underhanded combat methods.
I doubt Ubisoft would go this route though. It would require stepping away from the stereotype that a game set in Japan has to be about samurai.
It's crazy how Ubisoft's shit is just forgotten.
I'd say a giant world that is well designed which I'd rather experience in the discovery tour. No joke here, retracing my steps around the Parthenon in a virtual tour and comparing it to pictures I took while in Athens was my fave moment in all of AC.
I'd say a giant world that is well designed which I'd rather experience in the discovery tour. No joke here, retracing my steps around the Parthenon in a virtual tour and comparing it to pictures I took while in Athens was my fave moment in all of AC.
I totally agree. I said a similar thing about the difference in image quality between early PS4 gen Ubi and current day Ubi in a different thread.
Combat that consists of more than pressing triangle HEYOOOO
I don't know if Ubisoft is the one to do it, but GoT was far from the perfect samurai/ninja/feudal Japan game. It didn't even have any real towns, every hub was just the same vendors with limited interaction with the others.
One thing Ubisoft is good at is leaning into history. In GoT, a lot of the complex political, religious, and cultural elements were fairly sanitized to make it easier to follow. Compare it to NiOh which goes full bore with embracing the minutia of feudal Japan.
Someone should make an open world game with NiOh combat is what I'm saying.
I don't know if Ubisoft is the one to do it, but GoT was far from the perfect samurai/ninja/feudal Japan game. It didn't even have any real towns, every hub was just the same vendors with limited interaction with the others.
One thing Ubisoft is good at is leaning into history. In GoT, a lot of the complex political, religious, and cultural elements were fairly sanitized to make it easier to follow. Compare it to NiOh which goes full bore with embracing the minutia of feudal Japan.
Someone should make an open world game with NiOh combat is what I'm saying.
More than one weapon, more and better traversal (free climbing, boats...), more dialogue options, a progression system that doesn't stop halfway through the game, more things to find in the game besides copy-pasted Inari shrines...
There are plenty of ways for Ubisoft to make a samurai game better than Ghost of Tsushima.
The issue is that Ubisoft can't design a combat system to save their life. I platiniumed Odyssey and didn't enjoy any minute of the combat.
There are plenty of ways for Ubisoft to make a samurai game better than Ghost of Tsushima.
The issue is that Ubisoft can't design a combat system to save their life. I platiniumed Odyssey and didn't enjoy any minute of the combat.
It's good to have historical video games, Ubisoft's combat compared to sucker punch's is downhill, Jin in Ghost is a BEAST.
Decent stealth
Edit: a lot of these snarky posts are weird "ubisoft woud make it a generic open world game!"
Like.. .ghosts of tsushima??
Edit: a lot of these snarky posts are weird "ubisoft woud make it a generic open world game!"
Like.. .ghosts of tsushima??
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One of the most common complaints about Valhalla is how differently it plays from Odyssey. As well as how different it is when it comes to structure.
Anything i would say Ubisoft could improve upon I'd just rather sucker punch improve upon it in a sequel
I love this movie so muchGet the rights to Lady Snowblood and just make an open world Lady Snowblood game:
- Female protagonist.
- Amazing Meiko Kaji music.
- Fight scenes where you swing across chandeliers.
- Stylish settings during the Meiji period.
- Your sword is also an umbrella.
- The sequel could use the greatest sequel subtitle ever put on film: "Love Song of Vengeance."
- REVENGE!!!
They should go back to the "dense city" formula, as it would make for a totally different experience that GoT.
We could get better parkour, more of a reliance on stealth, and overall just have a different vibe.
If they try to do Japan and stick with the big open world rpg type formula, it would feel way too similar.
We could get better parkour, more of a reliance on stealth, and overall just have a different vibe.
If they try to do Japan and stick with the big open world rpg type formula, it would feel way too similar.
Some interesting suggestions in amongst the sodium ...
Funny I was wondering this today myself. Still very early on in Odyssey, haven't played GoT. But as an OG Tenchu nut I would love it if they fleshed out the stealth. Like it's fine, but there's so many ways it could be better. Gimme plenty of big castles and temples and mansions and the rest of the template falls straight back into place.
Lots of AC hate but as a newcomer I have loved being able to just wander around and let the world do its thing.
Funny I was wondering this today myself. Still very early on in Odyssey, haven't played GoT. But as an OG Tenchu nut I would love it if they fleshed out the stealth. Like it's fine, but there's so many ways it could be better. Gimme plenty of big castles and temples and mansions and the rest of the template falls straight back into place.
Lots of AC hate but as a newcomer I have loved being able to just wander around and let the world do its thing.
Yes. I have finished and enjoyed them all.
You are completely ignoring all the stories in the time period they go to. 😃
another time period will be interesting like the meiji restoration, but with ghost i kinda ok with another asian country receiving a game, imperial china would be interesting (i know about the side scroller one)
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Even though the games are quite different, I do like the comparison between God of War and Valhalla, as it shows how different action games within the same setting can ultimate be.
I think in the end, there would be the potential that this theoretical game could bring something new to the table especially with a new graphics engine. As someone said before me, Unity still remains a graphical showcase even now (ignoring the technical issues).
Bigger map, bloat, infinitely worse combat, and a bona fide city, which I would love to see.
All of this. Like, GoT is incredible, let's not get anything twisted, but a well-done Assassin's Creed game set in Japan would absolutely have GoT's lunch and dessert in terms of scale, authenticity, world building, population, stuff to do and see, traversal, etc. Again, it's absolutely bizarre how people talk about AC, as if neither Origins nor Odyssey, or hell, even Valhalla aren't incredible games.
Outside of probably the combat, and sheer flair and style that GoT has, a Japanese AC would most definitely be a superior game, unless Ubisoft seriously screwed it up.
A more detailed world. GoT has some pretty spots, but I found the world felt pretty empty and artifical. I am also not a fan of how the world in GoT feels like it's made out of plastic.
But honestly, I want an AC game in Japan to be set in the Meiji era, I find that history around this period to be more interesting.
But honestly, I want an AC game in Japan to be set in the Meiji era, I find that history around this period to be more interesting.