But it doesnt require raw graphics power, thats why i prefer artstyle over it.
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What better elevates a RPG: graphics or soundtrack?
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But it doesnt require raw graphics power, thats why i prefer artstyle over it.
Read the OP.
I don't know why I continue bumping this thread it's literally just the same thing over and over, I probably shouldn't let shit like this annoy me.
Are you serious, you quoted a post in which I specifically pointed out that art style does belong to graphics and so does the OP think too.
The OP states that "graphics" includes art for the sake of this thread, it's tucked away in the last sentence...
This, for the same reasons. Music tends to only age in certain circumstances, but graphics always age and the results can be terrible in some cases.
It seems both of you dont get the power side of graphics which im talking about. See the difference between Zelda BOTW and AC Odyssey?
I closed my eyes while the video played and I heard all I needed to know about the world of Witcher 3 /s
Seeing is believing. Like I said earlier, in Deus EX: MD, seeing npc's down on their luck with augments and their need for neuropozyne gave a depressing feeling around the setting, while some were able to live lavishly in their spiffy apartments and then you had the segregation when lining up for the train. Red for augs with their side dirty and covered in barbed wire as if they're a animal. :(
I was discussing the topic as stated in the OP, not sure what you're on about, we're arguing different things. In any case I think a poll that's Art (environment, characters, animation, etc.) vs. Audio (music, sound effects and sound design) would be completely unfair. Graphical Fidelity vs. Audio is probably a fairer comparison.
Then i dont know why you quoted me when i exactly said raw graphics power.
I wasn't sure, but reading the posts about Undertale gave me the obvious slap I needed.
Good music will elevate an experience.
Good music will elevate an experience.
I see, you put soundtrack above art style.
"Art style" is such an annoying term, it's completely reductionist. There's an incredible amount of visually oriented work that goes into a game and only a tiny fraction of it even fits that description.
Presentation is a much better word to use.
This is why. More than anything else, so visual graphics was to be assumed, even after you said raw power that's it's own thing you added, and not what the topic is about. Still, you said "more than anything else" which invited their curisoty.
And thats ok, but i think its pretty clear what i was trying to say afterwards.
Great music is great, but if I imagine one RPG with Atari 2600 graphics but an incredible orchestrated soundtrack, and another with incredible visuals but no music what so ever, I'd likely opt for the latter.
Music doesn't do anything if your game looks like this
I truly want to see someone make a full-fledged game in that style lol
Going to be a lame answer but... It depends. I find too frequently that the fighting music loops too quickly. Then it begins to over stay its welcome. That annoys me far more than dead eyed faces.
Soundtrack, and it's not even close. Glad to see most of Era agrees with me!
8- and 16-bit graphics never age in my eyes because pixel art remains beautiful and appealing to this day, but I can easily go back to a game whose visuals really have aged poorly, like Final Fantasy VII, and enjoy it just as much as I did back in the day regardless of its hideously blocky character models.
But I would and could never, ever play FF VII (or any JRPG, or really 99% of games period) on mute. What would be the point? Most games lose at least half their character, atmosphere, personality, and/or emotional resonance without their music.
It's the soundtrack, always.
8- and 16-bit graphics never age in my eyes because pixel art remains beautiful and appealing to this day, but I can easily go back to a game whose visuals really have aged poorly, like Final Fantasy VII, and enjoy it just as much as I did back in the day regardless of its hideously blocky character models.
But I would and could never, ever play FF VII (or any JRPG, or really 99% of games period) on mute. What would be the point? Most games lose at least half their character, atmosphere, personality, and/or emotional resonance without their music.
It's the soundtrack, always.
The problem with this comparison is that it was a PS1 game. That means 3D was new technology to consoles meanwhile CD's had been on the market 89. That's 8 years before FF7 came out. People forget that FF7 was cutting edge for it's time.
CG backgrounds that looked beautiful, and I would have loved a FF7R that used CG or 3d but fixed angle backgrounds like Pillars of Eternity Deadfire. When you zoom all the way in, via zoom hack, on PoE:DF's background you can literally see the seams where the big background panels were stitched together but zoomed out it still looks amazing.
Soundtrack, even though graphics are important too.
A well done soundtrack just touches my spirit.
A well done soundtrack just touches my spirit.
Trying pick between Soundtrack and graphics is like trying to decide what's makes a PB&J good. It's the sum of the parts more than any one thing in my opinion.
Because when you are playing something for dozens of hours it needs to be easy on the eyes and the ears.
Because when you are playing something for dozens of hours it needs to be easy on the eyes and the ears.
I'm a graphics nerd but even I have to go for soundtrack on this one. Games like PSO, Nier Automata, even Blue Dragon. Sometimes the soundtrack alone can elevate them to a whole different level.
No i didnt
The vii ost already exists so i know what it will be.
Arranged orchestrations of classic tunes.
Im not assuming-i know
I edited my post because I thought my comment was reactionary.
However your ranking "Characters >/= Plot > Music > Setting > Gameplay > Graphics" makes very little sense to me, what's the point of cutting a game up into arbitrary little categories that can't really describe a game in a meaningful way.
For instance, "character" encapsulates their dialogue (including the voice if there's va) and interactions with other characters, their design (which is presented to you through sprites or a 3D model; graphics), their animations (graphics), their actions (what do they do).
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Yes you were talking about the OST for an unreleased title.
Sentence before is about FFVIIR, following by a "however", making the last sentence also about FFVIIR. I'm not going to agree that you can say you're going have memories of the OST, but I can't say the same for the graphics (which we have plenty of videos to show what they will look like btw).
I KNOW im talking about remake.
Im saying since og vii exists we know what will be in remakes ost.
Rearranged orchestrations of classic music.
I can say for a fact ill remember it.
What i was saying no i didnt to was it being an assumption.
It isnt because we know what will be in the remakes ost.
Fine then I'm saying based on what I can see of this game I will remember the way it looks as a good memory. Get over it.
Get over it?
Youre investing yourself way too personally in this.
I remember gears of war 1 blowing me away in 2006 as well as lots of people calling bullshit.
Now its laughable.
If you think 10 years from now when we're seeing new rendering and graphical techniques that melt our eyes that youll be singing the praises of VII remakes decade old graphical look thats totally fine.
I'm not taking anything on a gaming forum personally. I'm calling out the double standard you laid on me and telling you I don't agree.
I can respect graphics for their time, and I can look back remembering the impression. If you can't that's fine, I can.
Well agree to disagree.
But theres no double standard.
My argument is based on facts we know.
We know whats in the vii ost because the og exists.
But theres no double standard.
My argument is based on facts we know.
We know whats in the vii ost because the og exists.
