Yes, the people shrieking about SJWs and trans people and sending death threats to anyone who reviews the game positively are doing it because of storytelling criticisms. What's your /r/thelastofus2 username?
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What’s with all the Negativity with The Last of Us Part II? (No Spoilers)
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Yes, the people shrieking about SJWs and trans people and sending death threats to anyone who reviews the game positively are doing it because of storytelling criticisms. What's your /r/thelastofus2 username?
Yes. This thread is pointless as a non-spoiler thread. We either need to be able to have this discussion or lets not.
I should be ashamed...why exactly?
Then have the discussion, but don't belittle people's concerns about representation and how it has "nothing to do with why the game sucks". You're the one who came in here shrieking about how embarrassing this thread was.
People in the LGBT community have been faced with actual harassment by the alt-right because the game is "too pandering to the gays and women". That's a fact.
Insinuating I'm some sort of troll poster from another board? Implying that my qualms with what I know about the narrative have anything to do with support of the Alt-Right and similar pathos?
Get out of here dude! What the heck is your problem?
Hi, person in the LGBT community here
Acting like all of the backlash to this game comes from bigots when it horribly treats queer characters, including having them suffer because of them being queer, isn't helping either.
Im just not excited about the game. Has nothing to do with the story or content, I just did not find the first game particularly fun to play, and I see nothing to make me think this will be fun to play. Naughty Dog games in general are very pretty, exceptionally forgettable and at best 'decent' games to my preferences.
You're right champ, everyone expressing any critique of this game is secretly just trying to tarnish your beloved brand
Wait what? I came in here belittling concerns about representation? Explain that to me. I'll be waiting
for the record: this is the post i was replying to
Is it conceivable to you that there could be any other criticism to be had about this game? Be honest.
Hi, I'm LGBT too and I completely understand that. It is definitely a combination of both and I did not mean to insinuate otherwise.
The OP wasn't asking about general criticism, they were asking about the extreme negativity and anger seen in the form of mass trailer dislikes, death threats, etc. and were asking where that came from.
Make this thread a SPOILER zone. Or stop throwing shade at innocent posters. This is the antithesis of nuanced criticism and discussion.
So gross, why in the world would I play this as a Gaming escape, it would just upset me.
I have never played the game, or the first one. Also, I went after the fact she mention only small no name companies were giving the game high score which was beyond wrong. None of you can critic something you haven't played anyway.
OP's post wasn't asking about where death threats and the like came from, they only asked about where the negativity comes from. They actually specifically asked if it's more than just the usual hate-filled gamers, which it definitely is.
Maybe some people know what happens in the game and don't have a problem with the story?
Oh I am sure there are many who have! I don't understand the relevance of this comment.
I agree, which is what led me to my initial comment. I couldn't believe a site admin condoned that type of presumptive accusation.
Because nothing on the story justifies the negavity around this game (see recent Alanah Pearce thread)
People hated Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem, but it never happened.
Have you followed the industry very long? Do you remember people on popular forums posting pictures of their *** on a photo Jades Raymond's face? There is nothing about the intensity of the trolling around this title that hasn't been repeated ad infinitum for decades.
And to assume any criticism of the title comes from a place if dis-ingeniousness (like BSD) is very telling of their naivite.
A lot of negativity also came from the story without context and the false info on 4 Chan and Reddit as well.
We only got to know the complete 2 days back but the entire negativity has been on half filled info
She cited Polygon, Kotaku and Waypoint. You listed fucking "impulsegamer" and "thesixthaxis" when trying to dismiss her. Just move on dide, anyone can click through your post history to see why you're so eager to defend this videogames review scores
Ok, but at this point we should have surpassed this kind of thing.
I know the whole story of the game, I loved what they did. People are acting like "if you know the story, you would KNOW that it's terrible" and that's not true at all, it's your opinion.
One listing negative review and one listing positive review
So?
You're being way aggressive
Oh I dont in anyway mean to say "if you knew, you would hate it" just merely the insinuation that you're a troll for having some issues with it, is what I am trying to refute.
I also fully agree on the first statement.. but we are clearly not past this kind of thing. I mean i was asked what my account was on some type of troll reddit forum for calling this out.
In a half hour we'll all be playing it, and it will be chill.
Also ignoring the 10s from IGN, Eurogamer, Washington Post, Game Informer...
Sure, only small sites liked it.
So we agree lol
I truly hope the game is worth all this controversy.
,Edge, IGN, Eurogamer, Gamesradar, Thesixthaxis, Trustereview, gameinformer, vg247, guardian, telegraph, impulsegamer, gamerant, powerunlimited, digitaltrends..
And 70 plus more.
I mean, you came into this thread thinking that the only reason the game was getting negative publicity was because of story, but it is an absolute fact that the alt-right have been shitting on this game for months because it "panders to SJWs and the gays".
Could it be a combination of both? Sure. But to suggest that my agreement or the post in question was "embarassing and inappropriate" is downright offensive and a dismissal of the real harm that has been done by such hate groups.
Even if I'm an admin, I'm allowed to have my own opinions. Please do not suggest otherwise.
Look I don't want to drag this out. We're good. I would recommend to both you and BSD that you give people the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone is a troll. The response I replied to made no mention of any other reasons one could have a problem with this game. And.. even this post right here that I'm replying to insinuates* you do believe, deep down, that most people against this game have alterior, bigoted motives.
Could it be a little of both? Well, sure, I guess. Wink Wink.
You know what's okay?
Not wanting to play the game at a time the world is in an incredibly fucked up state.
Not wanting to play the game as a queer person who is concerned about some things they've heard about how the game treats queer characters.
Not wanting to play the game as any person who is concerned with how overly violent it is.
All the people pushing people back on this subject do need to lay off. There is a significant amount of toxicity generated by the typical alt right shitheads who are triggered by a game featuring a queer main character. There is also quite a bit of ambivalence from sincere people that mention things similar to the above statements. It's pretty easy to distinguish the two. I don't think it's cool to belittle their opinions, EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME YET. Have some empathy here and imagine that perhaps some people don't want to see more fucked up shit. Perhaps they've gone through similar shit and they have trauma associated, perhaps they know people who have. We're all just text on a screen here but we need to stop assuming everyone is out to get each other.
It's okay, the game is going to be successful I'm sure. Letting people air out their reasons for how they feel the way they do in a comfortable environment is important. I just don't see that happening for some people who are speaking up.
Not wanting to play the game at a time the world is in an incredibly fucked up state.
Not wanting to play the game as a queer person who is concerned about some things they've heard about how the game treats queer characters.
Not wanting to play the game as any person who is concerned with how overly violent it is.
All the people pushing people back on this subject do need to lay off. There is a significant amount of toxicity generated by the typical alt right shitheads who are triggered by a game featuring a queer main character. There is also quite a bit of ambivalence from sincere people that mention things similar to the above statements. It's pretty easy to distinguish the two. I don't think it's cool to belittle their opinions, EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME YET. Have some empathy here and imagine that perhaps some people don't want to see more fucked up shit. Perhaps they've gone through similar shit and they have trauma associated, perhaps they know people who have. We're all just text on a screen here but we need to stop assuming everyone is out to get each other.
It's okay, the game is going to be successful I'm sure. Letting people air out their reasons for how they feel the way they do in a comfortable environment is important. I just don't see that happening for some people who are speaking up.
It's a wild amount of backlash online over, honestly, I have no idea what. I'm personally just in the camp that I didn't really want a sequel to the first game and apparently there's just a sense of brutalism in this game that I don't want in my life right now.
I don't care about the leaked specific plot details, am part of the LGBT crowd and everything I've heard about the game disgusts me. It feels like the game is just intended to be as miserable as possible and some of the forced interactions in the game feel less like commentary on violence being problematic and more like Naughty Dog is just being obnoxiously heavy handed with their point. Like instead of building up towards anything meaningful Naughty Dog just wants to bludgeon you over the head for 10+ hours with the same concept until you become numb to it.
I get having unhappy games, I played the first Last of Us. That game sure as hell wasn't happy but it had moments that leveraged that unhappiness to shine and become meaningful. I didn't agree with the characters decisions at the end of the game, but I understood why things happened and felt the impact because the journey built up to it. The giraffe scene worked so well because of how awful the rest of the world was.
I legitimately have no idea what kind of Earth shattering gotcha the end of a game would need to justify the path TLoU2 has taken but I can guarantee it doesn't exist. I wouldn't even want to watch a 90 minute movie of "everything is only terrible and violence is bad watch me kill some dogs" let alone suffer through an entire game about it.
The only way I could see this kind of game being redeemed was if everything being terrible was strictly avoidable through game play decisions, placing the blame for sequences on the players shoulders and not Naughty Dogs for forcing you through some bullshit unsettling QTEs.
I get having unhappy games, I played the first Last of Us. That game sure as hell wasn't happy but it had moments that leveraged that unhappiness to shine and become meaningful. I didn't agree with the characters decisions at the end of the game, but I understood why things happened and felt the impact because the journey built up to it. The giraffe scene worked so well because of how awful the rest of the world was.
I legitimately have no idea what kind of Earth shattering gotcha the end of a game would need to justify the path TLoU2 has taken but I can guarantee it doesn't exist. I wouldn't even want to watch a 90 minute movie of "everything is only terrible and violence is bad watch me kill some dogs" let alone suffer through an entire game about it.
The only way I could see this kind of game being redeemed was if everything being terrible was strictly avoidable through game play decisions, placing the blame for sequences on the players shoulders and not Naughty Dogs for forcing you through some bullshit unsettling QTEs.
I was gonna buy this game a while later after I had finished some games. But some of the negativity around this game has made me more interested in it, so now I'm gonna play it to see what's up lol.
But no one is saying people MUST play the game. People can just not be interested as well, with no reason.
The problem is people that hate the fact that this game exists.
I don't know if there is an actual metric to measure that on, but that seems like nonsense.
Again, practically nobody is conflating valid critique with alt right shithead stuff. That's not what is happening or is largely being discussed. But to ignore the fact that the game in question has been the target of a very shitty campaign is just weird. And to come in to a thread and say that everybody who calls that out should be embarrassed is even weirder.
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Hey dr Sanchez, I'm trying to kinda cool this off. But you seem to imply toxicity hasn't been a problem for decades? You seem to question the past in an attempt to give more meaning to the present discussion. That's a really bad look, and shows me that you have a lot of history to learn about the past of online discourse.
Please dm me if you'd like further discussion.
Thank you for proving my point. That's one normie ass list of western focused videogames. Normie genre choices and normie art directions. There's not a single game on this list that is appealing to hardcore fans of Japanese games.oh yeah the sony template
So? At this point the Souls franchise is as safe as it gets. Yet the only thing we get from Sony is a remake made by a western developer.
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Well, all the absurd stuff surrounding this game has finally got me, cause I definitely wasn't planning on playing TLoU2 till it was bargain bin pricing but I now really wanna see what all the discourse about this game entails and what specifically has all the incels so mad. So I picked up a copy this morning and I'm rushing through TLoU1 and Left Behind to refresh my memory and give it a second approach, trying to be less cynical this time round.
Edit: I removed the phrasing that the controversy marketing is what sold me on the game. While I think some of that may have been intended with the early hyper-violence trailers and stuff, obviously this all goes way beyond that.
Edit: I removed the phrasing that the controversy marketing is what sold me on the game. While I think some of that may have been intended with the early hyper-violence trailers and stuff, obviously this all goes way beyond that.
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Those concerns are echoed in many reviews, e.g. from Polygon, Arstechnica... which one might see as "lukewarm" given the super high praise the first game garnered.
But true enough this tends to be lost in the general maelstrom in which the game is instrumented to support various beliefs and agendas.
Discussing the actual game since even harder than usual for high-profile console exclusives.
Astro Bot is from a Japanese dev in a genre mainly popularized by Japan...
Also get out here with this "normie" rhetoric shit.
Ok so you think that making a Pixar mascot platformer is totally out there and is Sony taking some huge risk? Don't make me laugh. Come back when they have their Tokyo Mirage Sessions. Or how about a Gravity Rush 3 or Freedom Wars 2?
Why would I when it perfectly describes what I mean?
I exist mostly in leftist circles with lots of lgbt people on the internet, and we dislike a lot of the bad tropes toward lgbt people on display. However pretty much all of the issues are spoilery so I can't go into more detail. While there are of course attacks from idiot right wing chuds who see a lesbian couple and go insane, i think there are also valid complaints from marginalized people too. It certainly reads like fiction about gay/trans people written by straight cis people.
Overall I dont really have an issue with the game though, the content has really turned me off from giving it a go however.
Overall I dont really have an issue with the game though, the content has really turned me off from giving it a go however.