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Westworld |S2| \W/ が遊びたい - Sundays on HBO
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Didn't Lisa Joy definitively state that the only scene of William in the far future is the post-credits scene?
Why are you guys saying "also, the scenes in the elevator, he passed out, etc" when that contradicts the showrunner's own explanation?
She said that what he originally found in the Forge is an area they can explore later. The far-future Host William they show in the post-credits scene instead walks into a different room, which is where the original Forge room is swapped out to instead test his fidelity.
It's confusing and 90% of watchers aren't going to get it, but this is what the show runner has stated was the intent.
Why are you guys saying "also, the scenes in the elevator, he passed out, etc" when that contradicts the showrunner's own explanation?
She said that what he originally found in the Forge is an area they can explore later. The far-future Host William they show in the post-credits scene instead walks into a different room, which is where the original Forge room is swapped out to instead test his fidelity.
It's confusing and 90% of watchers aren't going to get it, but this is what the show runner has stated was the intent.
I stopped at episode 6 because the show seemed to be going no where. Are episodes 7-10 worth watching?
Bernard couldn't ignore "console" commands from anyone that knew about them, which added to his need to stay undercover. Remember Hale used them on him too. It doesn't really have anything to do with Elsie specifically.
8 is probably the best in the series. I enjoyed 9 and 10 as well.
"I've always trusted code more than people"
And then she proceeds, without literally any leverage or backup, to try to bargain and blackmail a psychopath behind a major no-shits-given corporation that was all but willing to allow every human there to die. Fuck you show.
Even though we know Elsie will probably be one of Bernard's hybrid hosts to combat Dolores and her gang in the real world
But you see y'all?
ThE eNdInG wAS oBvIoUs aNd eAsY tO UnDeRsTanD
Everyone's intent and motivation in this show is so obscure and ambiguous. The hell was MiB going for, hell what was Deloris going for that was gonna be a weapon against the humans, what was Ford making with those huge drilling things- a cliff edge right on top of a Delos lab...?
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
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I wonder...could the william deal at the end be a bit of a misdirect? So we see on the beach they have recovered William and he's in bad shape, twitching and whatnot.
What if he really did have a mental break, and what we see at the end is just playing out in his mind? The show made a HUGE point, especially when he killed his daughter, about how he thought that ford designed everything for him in this huge game.
So in his break and in his mind, he DID go down into the bunker and found his daughter as a host, making it justified in his mind that he killed her.
What if he really did have a mental break, and what we see at the end is just playing out in his mind? The show made a HUGE point, especially when he killed his daughter, about how he thought that ford designed everything for him in this huge game.
So in his break and in his mind, he DID go down into the bunker and found his daughter as a host, making it justified in his mind that he killed her.
Need to rewatch tonight but thought it was good. Hale was fucking irritating; I'm glad she got blasted.
I think Dolores-Hale kills Hale sometime after Delos arrives to the park. 12hrs to build a new host and replace a human is probably not enough time and I'm sure that the automated bots could wrap up that job without needing Bernard to wait for the process to finish.
I get most of the story-beats and timelines, but there was a few things I didn't understand. I thought with the destruction of the Cradle, the hosts essentially had one life left to live because they don't have their backups anymore. With that understanding, how was Bernard able to bring back Dolores in Hale form? Likewise, how did Teddy and other hosts who didn't physically walk through the "valley" end up in the Sublime?
For that matter, if the whole intent was to give the hosts a type of "simulation heaven" to escape their confines in reality, wasn't there just an easier way of doing that instead of the catalyst of Dolores killing Ford in S1????
For that matter, if the whole intent was to give the hosts a type of "simulation heaven" to escape their confines in reality, wasn't there just an easier way of doing that instead of the catalyst of Dolores killing Ford in S1????
Not pointless, but the main crux of the story lies with Westworld, the oldest world in the park. It also highlights Delow' incompetence and overall laziness with copying info whole-cloth. It also worked to let Maeve test out her ability to issues commands to hosts via the mesh network while avoiding any major impact to the hosts in Westworld.
Negative. Look more closely at the scene where the host hale kills the real hale. Just before she is dropping Elise's body down in storage.
Honestly I feel like its bad form when you have to read a damn interview every week having to explain this shit without it being shown at least decently in the show.
I didnt have to read a single interview. i stayed out of this thread. I understood everything just fine. what were you having trouble understanding?
If that's the case (didn't see Elsie's body), then that's some timing bullshit.
Head Ford told Bernard that he already started a plan after Bernard saw Elise die. Bernard/Ford already had the process going to make a host Hale.
I understood it fine myself, but I feel like that if the writers have to always come out in a interview to definitively say that 'this person is a robot, this happened in this timeline, etc', I'm not sure if they feel like they have enough confidence in their audience and maybe their own writing.
Then why the scenes of him building Hale. Was Bernard putting her together before he left for the Forge and didn't remember that he spent so many hours getting that set up? I'm fine with the conclusion, but the execution especially after Dolores-Hale and the timing is sloppy.
Best parts:
-As the episode was buffering on the Chromecast, my wife exclaims "it's an hour and a half?!" and my knee jerk response was "what the fuck?! No!" Then we shared a good laugh.
-The stock bull sound effect. What a perfectly hilarious exclamation point for a perfectly cheesy scene.
-Tessa Thompson's Dolores impression. Also, dat heavy shadow treatment. On a show with so much casual nudity it was funny to see. It would've been fine if they just kept the camera on her face, but this season has been all about terrible direction/writing so it fits right in.
-Going through the "door" and falling off a cliff. Hilarious visual.
We were dreading it, but was pretty entertaining overall. Dolores is just so consistently boring, though. We were so happy when she was killed off, but it looks like she'll be front and center if there's a season three. Doubt we'd bother with it.
Nah there are better ways to spend your time. Or if you're really interested in seeing how things end up just skip to the finale. You're not missing much. (don't really get the love for episode 8, but then again it put me to sleep 20 minutes in and then I woke up for the last 5-10mins)
-As the episode was buffering on the Chromecast, my wife exclaims "it's an hour and a half?!" and my knee jerk response was "what the fuck?! No!" Then we shared a good laugh.
-The stock bull sound effect. What a perfectly hilarious exclamation point for a perfectly cheesy scene.
-Tessa Thompson's Dolores impression. Also, dat heavy shadow treatment. On a show with so much casual nudity it was funny to see. It would've been fine if they just kept the camera on her face, but this season has been all about terrible direction/writing so it fits right in.
-Going through the "door" and falling off a cliff. Hilarious visual.
We were dreading it, but was pretty entertaining overall. Dolores is just so consistently boring, though. We were so happy when she was killed off, but it looks like she'll be front and center if there's a season three. Doubt we'd bother with it.
Nah there are better ways to spend your time. Or if you're really interested in seeing how things end up just skip to the finale. You're not missing much. (don't really get the love for episode 8, but then again it put me to sleep 20 minutes in and then I woke up for the last 5-10mins)
while the offsite backup got blown up, the hosts still have all the data inside them, in those spheres that I forgot the name. That's what Dolores smuggles out of the park in her purse/bag. About Teddy, before leaving the forge she conects his sphere in the machine that was beaming all the hosts, so that's how he got there.
That was not the whole intent. I think the plan was for the hosts that didn't become self-aware or woken to go to this simulation heaven while the others saw the truth about humanity and left for the real world.
Hell, it can't even stage small scale. I always giggle when Maeve and company are running through a bush or something. It's all so awkward.
So, finally watched it on my potato internet. Some thoughts:
- Did people actually enjoy Thompson's Dolores? I have nothing against her personally, but her acting has been profoundly one-note, and that didn't change when she portrayed Dolores with literally one facial expression the entire time. If they end up having Thompson portray Dolores half the time in S3, I'll be pretty upset, because ERW is one of the best actors on Westworld.
- I hadn't felt this way until the last couple episodes, but I agree with PlanetSmasher that the show does seem too cavalier in its killing of human characters. Emily and Elsie both being fridged to further the character development of two male characters is really frustrating, especially since I enjoyed the former more than her father, and the latter was a fan favorite. They were some of the only sympathetic humans (since Stubbs is now probably a host), and that's a necessary element to avoid falling into pure misanthropy.
- Hopefully Akecheta has a bigger role in the next season, because he had next to nothing to do after his brilliant introduction. Kohana being present in the digital Eden was a little confusing.
- Teddy also needs to return. James Marsden was never given much material to shine through, which is a shame.
- Maeve's "death" fell really flat. This is something the show isn't fantastic at doing in general—emotionally affecting deaths. Her being killed again by the Mall Cop Squad was undramatically repetitive. It might have been more interesting to have Clementine corrupt Maeve's squad, and have her struggle to hold them back / reach out to them. Clementine's entire sequence felt pointless.
- Loved the scene of James Delos' last interaction with Logan. Felt like one of the most emotionally human moments on the show, something truly relatable to our modern lives.
- Nothing ever came of the animal imagery (wolf, white horse, vulture), which is kind of disappointing.
Then I'll be all over that shit. Would be the most exciting thing to hear is if they drop the mysteries and gave us episodes that focus on building characters.
Yeeeeea, I think I'm done*
They just hit LOST season 6 levels of "meh" for me. The show is stuck up it's own ass. They're so concerned with being clever that they forget actually tell a good story. This is why so many moments fall flat in this show. We watched a dude straight up murder his daughter but we were too concerned with whether or not she was a host or what it all meant to actually give a shit about it. There are so many moments like that where you're too concerned with the "who/what/where/where/why" to actually develop any sort of attachment to the story or the characters. This is BAD storytelling. I don't care about ANY of these characters. The only character I even sort of care about is Logan who is somehow one of the most straightforward and developed characters in the story and he's had such minimal screen-time.
Such a giant swing and miss for a show with such incredible potential. I'm glad writers have generally walked away from this sort of storytelling. It's exhausting and not at all fun to watch.
*See you next season
They just hit LOST season 6 levels of "meh" for me. The show is stuck up it's own ass. They're so concerned with being clever that they forget actually tell a good story. This is why so many moments fall flat in this show. We watched a dude straight up murder his daughter but we were too concerned with whether or not she was a host or what it all meant to actually give a shit about it. There are so many moments like that where you're too concerned with the "who/what/where/where/why" to actually develop any sort of attachment to the story or the characters. This is BAD storytelling. I don't care about ANY of these characters. The only character I even sort of care about is Logan who is somehow one of the most straightforward and developed characters in the story and he's had such minimal screen-time.
Such a giant swing and miss for a show with such incredible potential. I'm glad writers have generally walked away from this sort of storytelling. It's exhausting and not at all fun to watch.
*See you next season
Thanks! Didn't want to read too much here as I didn't want to be spoiled on the twists. I'll start watching again via HBO Go.
Bingo. There has to be some hope for a peaceful or optimal solution in the show's future. There has to be a potential good ending that the show could work toward, even if it doesn't get there in the end. A show that's just endlessly dour and completely pessimistic about everything in its world isn't interesting or entertaining to watch. I don't want to see a world where psychopath Dolores wins, because like Bernard said, she'd just execute everyone, innocent or guilty, without a single thought. She's completely evil.
The constant emotional ploys with Maeve have just never worked in general. All the endless hemming and hawing about her daughter, a character we don't even know, has always been a bad idea, and having her final scene be her essentially dying pointlessly in the exact same way she did in her previous death just...why? I suppose the implication was that she transferred part of her consciousness into Maeve 2.0's body to be with her daughter in the Sublime, but if that was the case, why focus so heavily on her original self just standing there and watching everyone die?
I love that people keep trying to push this narrative when Bernard literally came over to Delores' side which is nothing like anything Xavier would do.
I don't even think that's the case, because she does consciously go to hold them off, and Felix and Sylvester eye her body when they're told to assess the damaged hosts for repairability (*wink* she'll be back in S3 *wink*).
Lee's death was a relentless fucking experience.
That was not the implication.
It's become abundantly obvious to me throughout this season that the show suffers from the weekly release format. I think it would be far easier to follow everything if they released the entire season at once.
Season 2 had some interesting stuff going on but ultimately disappointed. I'll probably still watch S3 but I'm not particularly interested after this.
Season 2 had some interesting stuff going on but ultimately disappointed. I'll probably still watch S3 but I'm not particularly interested after this.
Maeve's stupid thought transferrence thing is really annoying. Was she just experiencing Replacement Maeve's sensations of being in the Sublime before she got shot, then?
that's how I watched it, tbh.
Cough up a week before the finale. The show is too complex to watch it once a week, especially since I'm watching other stuff too so I always ended up forgetting what happened the weeks before.
If you're talking about Maeve running through the field with her daughter, that really happened in the past. It was a memory in Season One.
...I'll have to rewatch above 240p, but I'm pretty sure she was just focusing intently to freeze that many hosts at once. Which was pretty ineffective, and she should have just redirected them to attack the handful of Mall Cops that ended up shooting her.
Well I made it through but I wont be back for S03.
There were maybe 2 or 3 good episodes but the rest felt like rambling and stalling for time.
Boring slight of hand to make you sit around for the info dump in the last episode.
There were maybe 2 or 3 good episodes but the rest felt like rambling and stalling for time.
Boring slight of hand to make you sit around for the info dump in the last episode.
I'm honestly not sure what to think. The show really began to turn up the, "Humans are all evil" and it seemed like any good humans outside of Elise were Hosts... Maybe? I'm not even sure anymore. The only thing I assume is that the ending takes place many years after season 2.
Unsure if I'll watch Season 3.
Unsure if I'll watch Season 3.
They mentioned multiple times that he was making himself forget things and messing with his memories in case he was caught.
Yeah, I mentioned before how I was almost impressed with the level of nihilism and contempt for the (nonexistent) human condition, but as you mentioned with the fridged characters and lack of humans, it's actually becoming a severe problem for the show. Barely anyone cared that Emily died, and I don't blame them as she was just some rushed sacrifice. I cared, but more for the wasted potential. There was a chance to really explore her character and bring some depth to the humans. Elsie was ultimately wasted after her surprise return. A bit enjoyable to the end and I liked the dynamic she had with Bernard, but again, sacrificed to the plot.
And if you're ultimately going to make the humans the obstacles, can the writers please give us some actual villains. Complete waste of Floki as well, which is really going to leave me in a bad mood for a while. In the end he was just a moustache swirling suit with garbage writing, while looking utterly lost and confused as much as any of the other dumbass humans on the island for his couple minutes of screentime.