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We should give people like Milo a platform, Says Jaffe; not doing so is ruining the country. Defends himself with NPC memes.
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I mean I gotta disagree on you on this one. He didn't just suddenly become 2 million in debt
i mean he's fading into obscurity already. washed up dev trying to get attention as god knows no one wanted his last game
"But maybe we should hear the deadly growth of tumor though!!!!!!" /s
He seems centrist at worst. He most likely wasn't using the meme, he was talking about NPC:s because he's a game developer. I doubt he is even aware of the meme tbh.
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I mean yeah he has a right to a platform doesn't mean we don't have a right to lash back. I hate this mentality, "Just let him speak!" motherfucker we have no real control over that shit we're just responding to his rhetoric. On top of that freedom of speech doesn't mean sites like youtube have a legal obligation to host your videos either.
no offense but your gay friend is a chode
gays that get brainwashed into centrism are depressing
Well thank you Jaffe for letting me know you are a fucking moron who stands for a pedophile apologizer.
Not necessary.
A combination of both can be, and has been, achieved. As long as this side approaches this particular argument with a rational and realistic mindset.
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By definition if you are refusing to address a person how they wish to be addressed (an action that costs you a grand total of fuck all), then you are not approaching an engagement with them with even a semblance of respect, and to suggest that you are is disingenuous bullshit
I used to think that the best way to defeat messengers of hatred was to let them speak.
Let them spout their horrific views and people will sensibly argue against them, show them to be the ignorant fools they are and laugh them off any stage they speak from.
Now, I am very aware that the only way to defeat hate is to deplatform it.
Hatred spreads and manipulates too easily. We live in a world where every fact is questioned. People use mobile phones built with cutting edge science and technology to decry scientific method. There's no reasoning with that kind of ignorance. It has to be squashed with no room for it to spread.
I hope that Jaffe and anyone else who thinks like I used to, realises the error of their ways.
Let them spout their horrific views and people will sensibly argue against them, show them to be the ignorant fools they are and laugh them off any stage they speak from.
Now, I am very aware that the only way to defeat hate is to deplatform it.
Hatred spreads and manipulates too easily. We live in a world where every fact is questioned. People use mobile phones built with cutting edge science and technology to decry scientific method. There's no reasoning with that kind of ignorance. It has to be squashed with no room for it to spread.
I hope that Jaffe and anyone else who thinks like I used to, realises the error of their ways.
Jaffe has been drifting towards being "both sides" for a while now, so this isn't too surprising. I'm all for protecting free speech, but to say the "country is suffering" because of shutting down people like Milo is absurd. Not the hill you want to die on, David.
How long until Jaffe and Cliffy join forces and announce a new game studio to work on a new flop?
Also, hate doesn't deserve an outlet. It's destructive.
Also, hate doesn't deserve an outlet. It's destructive.
One time I instituted him as a West Wing liberal on Twitter and he took it as a compliment. Pretty sure not in a "Yeah so what mother fucker??" way, but more a "thank you! I agree friend" sort of way.
I don't get these type of opinions. How in any conscionable way does the good of any debate outweigh the massive negatives of hate speech.
Can point me to any statements or tweets indicating he's super liberal?
So many people think they can get away with being absolute shitheads as long as they put up the barest pretense of polite language.
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I do understand how one can think there is an alt-left when people have made "alt-right" synonymous with "far-right." Doesn't make it right (lel), of course. There is no alt-left. It's like, what would that be? Absolute worship of Jewish people?
Jaffe has a history of not taking well to criticism so he's not going to change his mind of this given the ample evidence that deplatforming works including the recent examples of Infowars and the one he was stupid enough to build his argument around. When someone's stupid, an asshole, and privileged there's little to no hope.
Sometimes I wonder, maybe these kinds of posts like Jaffe's are soft cries for help, but the "Go fuck yourself" responses just pushes them closer to walking off that alt-right cliff.
Please get some help Jaffe, but if you do fully walk off that cliff, please go fuck yourself.
Best regards.
P.S. Corey directed the best God of War games.
Please get some help Jaffe, but if you do fully walk off that cliff, please go fuck yourself.
Best regards.
P.S. Corey directed the best God of War games.
I feel like our country is in the spot its in because espousing stupid and harmful views wasn't shut down enough. Everything from flat earth, to birthers to anyone legitimizing racism should have been ridiculed and shamed from jump.We're still paying for it and probably will for a while.
wait you're telling me that david jaffe, the guy who doesn't know how to keep a business running, also doesn't know what free speech is
my goodness i am shocked and appalled
my goodness i am shocked and appalled
I followed him for a couple years on twitter. He is definitely liberal and it's kinda shocking that people judge him so harshly here.
Can attest.
It kind of reminds me of the video essay by Innuendo Studios. The left seems far more divided among themselves in certain issues like these. Meanwhile, the right doesn't care if one of their members is a Nazi and the other is a Christian zealot because they hate the left far more.
He can fall off that cliff and break his own figurative neck if the alternative is conceding to this nonsense on an issue like forcing individuals to hand their megaphone to Yiannopoulos to "save our country." Plenty of aggressive, hateful, anti-social behaviors are cries for help; Except those people have postured themselves against anyone of good intent around them, not the other way around. Anyone with an aggressive drunk for an uncle can tell you how well things work out if you concede to the emotional blackmail of that sort of arrangement.
I think that right wing unity is a fairly recently revival. For example, the Ku Klux Klan still exists, but it's largely harmless now because it has no central oversight. It's largely just a bunch of people who hang out and be racist together. White nationalist groups in Canada have also had a weak presence because they didn't really like each other.
Basically, people who make hatred a central tenant of their ideology tend to be pretty happy to hate each other too, and in order to be effective, they need someone who actively has an interest in keeping them together and takes pains to keep from collapsing.
Why does he have a right to a platform? The 1st Amendment only protects you from the Government silencing you. It doesn't mean you have an absolute right to say what you want everywhere and anywhere. Places like Twitter and Facebook have no obligation to give everyone a voice—they're private companies.
lets say facebook and twitter were banning leftist or others that lean left
would you be defending Twitter or Facebook and say "they have no obligation to give everyone a voice"?
Nnnnnnnnnnno. We shouldn't give people like Milo a platform. Free speech doesn't mean equal speech. His freedom of expression doesn't grantee him a platform, it guarantees he won't be arrested for the shit he says unless it incites violence or otherwise crosses the threshold protected by free speech laws. Private platforms have no obligation to host those with hateful views. If Milo and the people like him want a platform, they can make their own. Like Gab, or the FoxNews Channel.
They're not banning people because they're conservative, they're banning people who violate the TOS (hate speech isn't protected), and those people happen to be conservative.
Having views in the "free speech debate" isn't alt-right, it's just falling into a topic that makes good click-bait online. It has been solved to a certain extent across most of the world by defining hate speech and making it illegal. Also as was seen in universities it has no academic value so they were refused air-time on campus, the only place it is available is on social networks which have no civic duty merely financial imperative. And why the cycle of the debate continues, it makes money for YouTube.
"We NEED to hear Milo's opinions" is a thought one should be crucified for. Whatever Jaffe's usual politics, this is a nuclear-level bad take.