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We should give people like Milo a platform, Says Jaffe; not doing so is ruining the country. Defends himself with NPC memes.
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He is just having fun guys! I don't understand why people are mad at this white, middle-aged man who is just having a bit of fun talking about these things that won't affect his own life? /s
To be fair considering the source material used by the latest GoW, it's a goddamn miracle it ended up being interesting at all and not just juvenile DMC trashheap like it was before.
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- What about the alt-left?
"I would never associate with the alt-right, I'd just dogwhistle to them and hope they become my new audience."
Man, if only Leslie Jones and those transgender students simply had a heart-to-heart with Milo to prove their worth in merely existing. Surely, attempting to pointlessly reason with bigotry and allowing him to maintain public privileges he was never owed and maliciously used to conduct rampant harrassment meant to ruin the lives of others is far more preferable than that slippery slope of censorship. Gotta keep that TOS just for show.
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Nah. Milo can rot.
Milo has a history of harassment and homophobia, blaming gamers for mass shootings, becoming the face of GamerGate, and what really killed his career was being in a YouTube interview where he condoned relationships of grown adult men/women with 13 year old boys/girls.
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I mean, Milo still has free speech. There's no specific right to speak on college campuses specifically, or we'd have every TimeCube and Flat Earth weirdo lining up to lecture everyone on what Those Evil Professors Don't Want People to Know About The Lizard People At The Center of The Earth.
The refusal of college campuses to host him or any other person isn't some kind of assault on their freedom of speech. Interested parties are still free to invite him or anyone else at off-campus locations.
And we're talking about a guy that openly condoned relationships between grown men and 13 year old boys. It's not surprising that a lot of people and organizations are not interested in hosting or being associated with that kind of content. Nor should they be forced to, unless we're looking to violate their right to freedom of speech (which includes the right to refrain from engaging in speech, or supporting others in doing so).
I'm very aware of Milo's history and the piece of trash he is, and I don't want anyone to think that I'm going to bat for him or for Jaffe. Just saying that there's some context in the video that's worth mentioning, outside of the intentionally inflammatory title and video thumbnail.
Again (and this is my fault for not being more clear) I agree that Milo should not have the "right" to be heard anywhere. He was deplatformed, he deserved it, and I don't feel any pity for him. I'll be on Jaffe's stream tonight as a counter point to his point of view. We're on the same side of this discussion (my post just wasn't thorough enough).
I hate the free speech argument so much. Sure you can say what you want, but that doesn't stop society from rejecting your ideals. My SO started spouting some crap like this the other day (in defense of Roseanne...) and it definitely changed something between us.
Gee I wonder where he's getting ideas like this from? And to think the first God of War was *so* progressive what with it's 'bang fawning handmaidens to regain health' minigames.
Actually, I change my mind. Jaffe is right. I, ResetEra forum member JusDoIt, should ALSO be entitled to charge universities tens of thousands of dollars to allow me to spew hateful nonsense. Never mind that nobody knows who I am or has solicited my ideas, the important part is that students are exposed to dissenting opinions. No matter who they come from and no matter how ridiculous. And goddammit, they haven't heard mine yet.
Sounds like he simply wants the debates to silence Milo's shitty views, maybe even opening the door to Milo changing his views. While I generally advocate this approach in normal circumstances, Milo is anything but normal and has proven time and time again that his only intent is toxicity. At some point, Jaffe needs to understand you have to draw a line in the sand.
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Jaffe was always a bit of an edgelord, but like I never imagined he would go full alt right.
wouldn't need to go to war if all those damn unwanteds would just lay down and die already :rolleyes:
People who think like Jaffe are outed by how they feel about people like this having a wide reaching platform right alongside the nazis and misogyinists:
People like Jaffe and Boogie have their lines. They find inherent value in white supremacists rhetoric but probably would find none in having an unrepentant pedophile be treated seriously on a wide reaching stage. They'd rightfully be grossed out and entitled to push back against popularizing someone like the above but don't consider that maybe women, minorities and LGBTQ+ individuales are as repulsed at being called inhuman and urged to be culled by Milo and his ilk. To them we have to "tolerate" hearing about our worthlessness and take it seriously as an alternative to our humanity else we're entitled and not willing to listen to "reason". They do this because they don't actually care about the people they just care about the argument. The lives of the marginalized are less important than the scholarly pursuit of debate.
People like Jaffe and Boogie have their lines. They find inherent value in white supremacists rhetoric but probably would find none in having an unrepentant pedophile be treated seriously on a wide reaching stage. They'd rightfully be grossed out and entitled to push back against popularizing someone like the above but don't consider that maybe women, minorities and LGBTQ+ individuales are as repulsed at being called inhuman and urged to be culled by Milo and his ilk. To them we have to "tolerate" hearing about our worthlessness and take it seriously as an alternative to our humanity else we're entitled and not willing to listen to "reason". They do this because they don't actually care about the people they just care about the argument. The lives of the marginalized are less important than the scholarly pursuit of debate.
I would argue a couple things:
1) You cant understand the shitty ideas youre opposed to unless youre exposed to them. Then you see them for who they really are.
Case in point:
2) It was Milo's platform that contributed to his downfall. Oddly, on TJ Kirk's Drunken Peasants channel lol.
BUT- NOBODY should be owed a platform. However, fighting to shut platforms down actively makes their platform grow further. Again- Milo is the perfect point to this.
The Berkeley incident actively made Milo go national over night. On all of the major networks. In these cases, youre fighting fire with gasoline.
All of these fuckers are jokes. Hacks. Scum. Lets then air their scum to the world so that the good can wash this place clean of it.
1) You cant understand the shitty ideas youre opposed to unless youre exposed to them. Then you see them for who they really are.
Case in point:
2) It was Milo's platform that contributed to his downfall. Oddly, on TJ Kirk's Drunken Peasants channel lol.
BUT- NOBODY should be owed a platform. However, fighting to shut platforms down actively makes their platform grow further. Again- Milo is the perfect point to this.
The Berkeley incident actively made Milo go national over night. On all of the major networks. In these cases, youre fighting fire with gasoline.
All of these fuckers are jokes. Hacks. Scum. Lets then air their scum to the world so that the good can wash this place clean of it.
I hear you.
I do think that people who are sympathetic to Jaffe's position should really give some more thought to the practical consequences of what's being asked for. Like, is BYU equally destroying this country by refusing to host Dawkins or Dan Savage or any other speaker or content that's incompatible with their organizational goals or code of conduct? It's a funny and notably one-sided kind of "free speech" that Conservatives seem to be worried about here.
Either he's stupid. A racist. Or okay with racism.
Impressive how stupid that tweet it.
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Jeez, so goddamn rude. Milo has been deplatformed continuously way before he became irrelevant. Now thanks to his massive ego he is throwing a huge tantrum because he though he himself was the draw and not the messages he conveyed that many people identified with. Dude is 2 million in debt because he spent money on wild lavish parties, expensive cars and jewellery thinking he could just so easily make that money back when he felt like it. It is really quite interesting. He actually had a big speaking event not to long ago and was shocked when no-one turned up. Another blow to his immature ego.
yeah i watched the first half of the video and he doesn't say anything interesting or new. the whole "trigger warnings and safe space colleges are ruining our children" isn't anything new. that shitty talking point has been repeated for years now.
If Milo was a good writer or speaker, his fans would come to him, pay to see him speak, read his blog posts religiously, and he would always be in the public consciousness. If he was a good writer or speaker he'd still be at Breitbart or another right-wing outlet, and he wouldn't be getting canceled from RNC appearances and book deals.
Since he is neither, the lack of bot amplification from Twitter and Youtube have exposed that he's of limited interest to even those who agree with his more extreme views, and the Mercer's pulling the plug showed that with no dark money he's not the baller he was pretending to be. There was literally nothing lost by him being banned from Twitter. His grift of outrage standup only works if people react to it (how much can people care about Milo with Trump and Stephen Miller actually in the WH?) and other, smarter people on his side can weaponize those reactions to further their argument that the left sucks. No one cares about anything he does or says anymore so he's broke and irrelevant.
Being banned from a public forum has nothing to do with free speech.
Since he is neither, the lack of bot amplification from Twitter and Youtube have exposed that he's of limited interest to even those who agree with his more extreme views, and the Mercer's pulling the plug showed that with no dark money he's not the baller he was pretending to be. There was literally nothing lost by him being banned from Twitter. His grift of outrage standup only works if people react to it (how much can people care about Milo with Trump and Stephen Miller actually in the WH?) and other, smarter people on his side can weaponize those reactions to further their argument that the left sucks. No one cares about anything he does or says anymore so he's broke and irrelevant.
Being banned from a public forum has nothing to do with free speech.
Yeah that's how you show you don't associate with the alt right, by invoking the NPC meme that they created lol.
Lmaoooo
How can people be this dumb, though unless he sees the amount of support from the alt right he will get from this
How can people be this dumb, though unless he sees the amount of support from the alt right he will get from this
It's always nice to see outspoken, revered people like David Jaffe expose themselves as dumb "I'm jUst AskIng qUEstIOns!" motherfuckers. Really lets you know the playing field of society is more level than you might assume.
Doubt it's going to make any difference, I mean he straight up said he was in favor of gamergate before and that didn't bring a audience for his trashy game.
