Read my post I did say that it doesn't excuse the things thrown you way.
But you just admitted to baiting n saying things
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Read my post I did say that it doesn't excuse the things thrown you way.
But you just admitted to baiting n saying things
Originally your post was only the first sentence: "When being patronized as a consumer I can call someone an idiot." I saw the edit reloading the page.
It's getting a lot of traction right now because of the Ooblets exclusivity and the reaction to the dev's blog post and comments.
Also I really wish Jason didnt love kicking hornet's nests
You have a history of pouring gasoline on these fires, and that is not above criticism.
Talk about persecution complex.
Why didnt you just say pc master race like you were tip toeing around with your horrible post.
And this is yet anothe horrible facet to this whole thing, the tranparent trolli g from co sole o ly gamers in eevry god damn egs thread. Many comenout and say it too: i would ne er game on a pc, herp derp. But isnt it just a launcher?
That gets tiring right quick.
When every discussion has "fuck you/off" one liner people, who are always the same loud users we all know btw, and are never moderated, this is what happens eventually. But hey, that's not a problem, don't you dare talking about metacommentary.
You can also choose not to, and either say nothing or find other words to voice your displeasure that aren't schoolyard name calling. That is why this thread exists.
To be fair, people being condescending, to people who object to the EGS, like this aren't helping the situation either
What the OP has done or quite frankly anyone has done doesn't matter anymore. This isn't about past actions that brought us here.
This is about us, being here, right now.
EGS threads typically consist of the following:
People who are attempting to argue (in good faith) the negatives of the EGS, both short and long term.
People who are in fact so petty it literally just comes down to not wanting to use another launcher (no steam no buy) and being toxic about it.
People who are attempting to argue (in good faith) the belief that EGS can in fact have a benefit to the market
People who are attempting to argue (in bad faith) the belief that EGS WILL be a benefit to the market but cannot explain why and dismiss any opposing position.
People who don't see a problem and refuse to engage with people on why (the "it's just another launcher" crowd), typically resorting to strawman examples of the anti-EGS crowd.
People actively trying to stir up shit.
We need to reconcile all of this.
I mean that post is essentially "Hey you didn't' deserve the things you got because of what you did, but I'm making sure to remind you and point out you did these things". It's either a very backhanded way of saying you didn't deserve it, or it's poor english messing up the intent of the message.
But on the other hand, I think it's unfair to say everyone who isn't bothered by EGS is just stoking the flames. I've read the pdf back to front on more than one occasion and I'm subject to the same PC gaming reality that you are, but I fall firmly in the "it's just a launcher" camp. I don't think it's fair to say people don't want to learn just because they don't come to a desired outcome with given information. I know why people dislike it, that's not a mystery to me! I just really don't see it as a problem when it mainly amounts to timed exclusivity (though obviously I am sympathetic to situations where people were promised Stean keys for a game and such).
This is starting to look a lot like victim blaming to me.
Like i posted earlier, there is this weird ass thing happening in this very thread where people will agree with the OP by posting toxic accusations and insults.
If that doesn't indicate a major problem with this community at large, then i don't know what does.
If that doesn't indicate a major problem with this community at large, then i don't know what does.
To me it feels like at this point jschreier is more of a union representative than a journalist. He has done it in the past and called out Valve for ... sending their employees on a free vacation to Hawaii.
Well I also call Donald Trump an 'orange racist hobgobin', and I have a bunch of choice words for the Walton family and 'disruptive' silicon valley jerks as well. I'm good, these public facing people aren't my friends and are making things better for themselves, but worse for me and most people I know.
Lies. The second sentence was. "This the problem." It made no sense so I added "is." You act like I edited and changed the context of what I said and that is simply not true.
This is a sensibly written post, but at the core you're doing the kind of false equivalence that frustrates people. If Steam is a Toyota Camry, EGS is a golf cart. People have exhaustively pointed out the many ways EGS fails to deliver basic conveniences which have been standard on modern platforms since like 2006.
The objections to EGS are not mainly about "console wars" or loyalty to Steam. Most people taking "Steam's side" in this have their own criticisms of that platform. But there is justifiable hostility to being coerced through high profile exclusives to accept a platform which is frankly primitive.
It's frustrating to have to make these points over and over and see them never sink in in EGS-related threads.
Jason is a good reporter but this is a moronic take. No one at Kotaku seems to be able to figure out why people don't like EGS. Nathan Grayson is unreadable too.
Yep. Toxic/Entitled gamer culture is just getting worse, and there is no end in site. I don't see how it starts going in the other direction. The only thing I can hope for is that there is some accountability down the line. Maybe these "random internet trolls" get sued to oblivion for slander, and that criminal charges start getting pressed for harassment and violent threats. At a certain point, when the culture becomes this toxic it goes beyond the community being able to police itself. Real law enforcement need to start getting involved. When someone's life, or livelihood, is threatened people need to start facing charges.
Hear, hear! I was disappointed to learn that The Outer Worlds was EGS exclusive, but ultimately, I understand why Obsidian made that call. If I want to play it on day 1, it's gotta be EGS. Else, I wait. It is what it is.
My biggest concern about EGS is Tencent's involvement and potential privacy concerns around that. Has anything shady been found or is this mainly China paranoia?
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If it wasn't major I wouldn't make a serious thread about it tbh. I go back and forth between bouncing out of gaming side and/or just bouncing off the site altogether.
It's an issue, one that we should definitely try to work on, myself included. I'm going to do my best to cut out the goofiness, as it isn't helping.
This is stuff that I want to actively try to stamp out/avoid from now on too.
We gotta be able to cut through the chaff.
Two threads attacking specific people over their opinions on EGS just popped up. That's the kind of stuff that should be banned.
Cool they are actually breaking even thats great to hear-......wait did he just refer to nay sayers as gamers who just dont wanna use fewer features? See what I mean about people being condescending.
But whatever cant wait for the Kotaku article which ignores all the discord stuff.
I remember the day when treating your employee well, like say offering them vacation, wasn't used as a mockery compared to the company which is known to make unbelievable amount of money from the crunch of it's developper.
Posted by the same person too. This shit shouldn't fly, it's literally an invitation to mob them.
Judging from many of the replies here it seems like a whole lot of people missed the point of the OP's post.
Gaming media's refusal to even engage in lukewarm criticism of EGS is a testament to how accomplished Tim Sweeney is at PR. He has somehow managed to define this conversation 100% as "the scrappy underdog" versus "the big evil monopolistic corporation", despite also being a billionaire whose store is more anti-consumer than the so-called "monopoly", but the media eats it up and just assumes all Gamers™ are the issue here.
It just keeps feeding the flames and it's getting frustrating.
It just keeps feeding the flames and it's getting frustrating.
Reporters are always closer to their subjects then their readers. It's common in any form of reporting, be it political or business or gaming. It's not unexpected unfortunately.
User Banned (3 Days): Inflammatory drive-by in a sensitive subject thread
Or at least moved to a single thread.
If we can have general threads about game news or events, we can have general threads about EGS hot-takes.
I mean lets not pretend Valve is some amazing place to work, lots of horror stories about their corporate structure as of late...
PLEASE STOP CREATING NEW EGS THREADS FFS. ARGH. PLEASE CREATE AN OT AND KEEP EVERYTHING THERE. THAT IS IT. /meltdown
(and to the inevitable "well dont read them then" there's dozens of them on the front page of the forum. they're unavoidable)
(and to the inevitable "well dont read them then" there's dozens of them on the front page of the forum. they're unavoidable)
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I am well aware of how Boogie esque that sounds
But he was also talking about Nazis there
so
I do. I have very few posts on EGS in relation to how much discussion goes on. Rami Ismail has a history of bad takes though and I truly feel my post about him was accurate.
I'm generally on the "other side" of Stadia threads, and I can say it's equally frustrating to respond to the same arguments over and over in those threads:
- omg you have to pay 60 to stream a game
- google cancels everything they make
- streaming doesn't offer players anything
- you can just buy a playstation for 200
When the same points get brought up over and over and the conversation never moves forward, tensions start to rise.
Please no with that
This gif is about compromising with nazis not about bridging a gap and having a discussion about buying games online and the consequences about business decisions / consumer focus.
This sure looks like victim blaming to me.
But you can see its not really working. You have several posts in this thread alone that are basically "Should have modded the Steam community more. They are so toxic". which, if I understood your OP right, is the exact same thing you try to speak out for. Then you have the other side "I can call Tim Sweeney however I want."
It is still "us vs. them".
Imagine what this forum will be like when stadia starts buying exclusives away from consoles and the same people villifying those with concerns over egs start going into google.
Man, its going be 10 times worse.
Man, its going be 10 times worse.
User banned (2 weeks): trolling and misrepresenting moderation and other members + long history of doing the same thing in similar threads
I've reported posters in EGS topics for posts which would usually get moderated elsewhere, and nothing ever happens. Meanwhile, if you don't hate EGS and don't think Tim is a cunt, it seems like anything you say can get you a ban. The only other time I've posted in an EGS topic in recent weeks was when someone else wrote a neutral to positive post about EGS and wondered why topics seemed so one-sided, I posted that they'll probably find out why soon, and minutes later that poster got a ban. Now I'll go back to silence.
Can we stop posting this dudes face? It's not remotely the same argument Bronson is making.