The country wants to go back to status quo before trump. I think the increased turn out is testament to that.
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We need to have a serious talk about the way the black electorate is discussed on here.
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I don't think Bernie has a chance against trump and I feel even more that way after yesterday, I don't like Biden either but Biden seems like he much actually have what it takes to beat Trump.
I feel like this is kinda bound to happen to some extent when black people voting are "black voters" and latinos voting are "latino voters" but white people voting are "middle class whites" "college educated whites" "non-college educated whites" "rural whites" etc...
I disagree. Here is a breakdown of along the lines of my thought process.
I'd argue that the way that the white vote gets lavished with special descriptors and attention to each subgroup is a symptom, not a cause. The cause is just, well, racism. Supremacy's a pervasive thing.
Y'all, this is off-topic Primary OT discussion. Take it over there.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing. I'm just saying the same thing I've said over and over. Bernie doesn't have it heck I don't think he's ever had it now seeing the results of yesterday. I prefer Warren over all of them but it's looking like she's done.
Edit :sorry didn't realize it was off topic to this
Why So Many Black Voters Are Democrats, Even When They Aren’t Liberal
At first blush, black voters appear to be an almost monolithically Democratic bloc. In 2016, black Americans cast 24 percent of Democratic primary votes — the l…
fivethirtyeight.com
I think this should be read too. I saw this a lot in my family growing up, they had slightly conservative viewpoints, but they weren't Republicans. Biden probably appeals more to some Black people because he is more conservative/moderate than Bernie.
Well, hopefully Biden is the right choice to defeat Trump, because if he isn't, then there's going to be utter hell to pay, and I will forever call the US as a nation of idiots.
true. it's it's the scaffolding this country was built on so you'll see it everywhere
all you have to do is watch Biden at the South Carolina town hall a bit back and you start to understand. He knows individual state bills, streets, businesses, people, etc. He's put a lot of work into interacting directly with communities, and remembering them and their issues, and addressing them directly.
the repertoire he's built up over time is impressive, that kind of support doesn't slip away super easily
the repertoire he's built up over time is impressive, that kind of support doesn't slip away super easily
A nation that allows a person like Trump to become president twice deserved to be called a nation of idiots. Hell the fact that he's up there already is already cutting it close.
If anyone is really wondering why voters would choose Biden (I haven't read the entire Primary thread), I imagine they're doing it in a dramatic, frustrated way. Being Obama's bro, being more "electable," and being a safe choice are the obvious top 3 reasons for voting for him.
Literally none of these statements are backed up by reality. Impressive.
Very true, and I hope the the entire electorate remembers that in November.
Returning to the conditions that spawned Trump in the first place seems like an awful idea
They beat their opposition and have achieved policy goals they sought - if they are dumb what does that make the Democratic base?
Many of Trump's base are unintelligent for sure but they have a better understanding of power than Democrats, in that they know they have minority views of abortion, minority rights or gun control but are savvy enough to use the political system ruthlessly to achieve their goals within it
I'm glad someone said it, poli-era was revolting last month with prolific pósters defending that behavior just cos it was one of their own. Just went ahead and gave up on lurking it.
I don't need that "We ARE JuSt tAlKing StaTs" Ben Shapiro-tier bad faith argument, i'm not even black but fuck that shit.
I don't need that "We ARE JuSt tAlKing StaTs" Ben Shapiro-tier bad faith argument, i'm not even black but fuck that shit.
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My comments are trying to actually stay on topic. My original comment was basically saying to blame America if we end up with Trump again in November, fine, but don't blame black democrats for him. That's it. We didn't vote him in and we can't keep him out by ourselves.
Great post. I'm just as disappointed as everyone else as a Bernie supporter, but it is on Bernie to convince voters to vote for him and that is on him and only him.
Best thread I've read on this website. Thanks Brawly Likes to Brawl
Breaking down "the black vote" down to factions like the churched, unchurched, radical activist, conformists, young, old, marginalized within the marginalized, etc. is an advanced class.
Some folks have already demonstrated that they're having trouble digesting the precisely-written OP, even though it was broken down into bullet points.
I don't disagree. I'd even entertain arguments that Biden is what a republican used to look like during W.
How long those young black men and women think that The Notorious RGB gonna hold on to that SCOTUS seat? A non-vote now could mean perpetual peonage.
Just the strikedown alone in Affirmative Action has seen a substantial decrease in black enrollment at elite colleges.
Breaking down "the black vote" down to factions like the churched, unchurched, radical activist, conformists, young, old, marginalized within the marginalized, etc. is an advanced class.
Some folks have already demonstrated that they're having trouble digesting the precisely-written OP, even though it was broken down into bullet points.
I don't disagree. I'd even entertain arguments that Biden is what a republican used to look like during W.
How long those young black men and women think that The Notorious RGB gonna hold on to that SCOTUS seat? A non-vote now could mean perpetual peonage.
Just the strikedown alone in Affirmative Action has seen a substantial decrease in black enrollment at elite colleges.
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Why would people blame black people for biden's success? Were they the group that supported him the most and if so by how much? Well, even if that's the case it wouldn't be suprising because of the reasons you listed. There is a different sense of urgency to get that orange turd out of office.
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Wow, I wasn't expecting this thread to get so many responses! I mainly just wrote this out of frustration over a trend that was bothering me. I'm really glad to hear that some of you learned things that you didn't know before. I do hope that one day the democratic party at large demonstrates better appreciation for their most dedicated voting block.
this seems like a relevant tweet thread (the excerpts from Tasha Philpot's book are especially useful):
my takeaway from the OP, tweet threads like the above, etc. is that some of the goofier rhetoric we've been seeing around the fact of black voters driving Biden's comeback reflects a failure of empathy and imagination
"low information voter" talk, for example, just doesn't get to the core of it at all
my takeaway from the OP, tweet threads like the above, etc. is that some of the goofier rhetoric we've been seeing around the fact of black voters driving Biden's comeback reflects a failure of empathy and imagination
"low information voter" talk, for example, just doesn't get to the core of it at all
This is also how you square the circle on LGBT community support from straight, cis black people. The white people who hate LGBT issues have a party that caters to them explicitly and exclusively, so they don't connect with the Dem party
The OP and this post are so spot on.
It's incredibly exhausting and frustrating to be talked down to and condescended to as a black voter. Aside from the fact that we aren't a monolith, we often don't have the luxury of taking risks with our well-being and quality of life. The goal is to get Trump and his ilk out of the White House by any means necessary.
I supported Warren and Sanders, but it really does seem like Biden has the best chance of beating Trump, so if he gets the nod, he gets my vote. Am I happy about it? No, but Trump has to go, and I can't risk fucking that up and inflicting another 4 years of him on the American people if I can help it.
In 2016, I got into many heated debates from "allies" that took their ball and went home because Sanders didn't get the nom, and they refused to vote for Hilary. I mean, I didn't want to vote for Hilary either, but...it was Donald Trump. It was a very eye-opening year, and I was disheartened that so many of my friends just didn't care about the affect a Trump presidency was going to have on people not living in a privileged bubble like them. Some side eyes were given, that's for sure. I had family and friends in Wisconsin that refused to vote, and when Trump got Wisconsin, and especially by such a slim margin, I was legitimately crushed.
That stubborn apathy caused so much damage to this country, so my only hope is that people learned their lesson, and we won't get a repeat of righteous indignation that kept people from voting because their precious "perfect candidate" didn't get the nomination. It must feel fine to have that luxury of standing by your principles and good conscience, but we don't have that luxury.
I've been telling people for a while that black folks Just don't trust white folks to do the right thing.