-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
We need to have a serious talk about the way the black electorate is discussed on here.
- Thread starter Brawly Likes to Brawl
- Start date
Sanders couldn't even be arsed to show up to the Bloody Sunday commemoration. Come on, now.
Yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh, it's weird because I know he has a good heart but at the same time we gotta be smart about this. Having a good heart can't be the only thing I look at.
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissive rhetoric in a sensitive thread
If you don't understand why that matters, you aren't worth continuing this line of conversation with.
He wouldn't have gotten Jim Clyburn's endorsement, among endorsements from many other black politicians, if he hadn't earned it in one way or another. He didn't get those endorsements just because he was the front runner or just because he was Obama's VP, he got those endorsements because they felt he was the safest, most reliable option in the field and would offer the greatest chance at demonstrably improving the lives of their constituents, which is exactly what the OP is talking about when bringing up harm reduction as a viable, if not essential, voting motivation for many members of the black electorate.
You could not dismiss a black member's personal political insight as "tales from the back of your head" and accuse them of not trying to have a serious conversion, as if we didn't just get through with a meeting with many of our black members where a constant was their insight being dismissed just because we don't always present the hard data you want at all times.No one's even you can't bring up polling in regards to the discussion. But you came in here to shut OP down.
Maybe take a step back and cool it?
I really appreciated this twitter thread when I read it and OP's post as well.
Much needed thread. The amount of casual and slightly obscured racism coming from Bernie supporters in the Super Tuesday OT has caused me to add quite a few people to my ignore list over the last 24 hours.
Edit: and just got notified that a member I reported in that thread was banned. Good job moderation team.
Edit: and just got notified that a member I reported in that thread was banned. Good job moderation team.
Last edited:
Great post with a lot of strong points. What I've bolded above is usually one of the main criticisms that I have for conservatives generally (I quite frankly think this is fucking impossible for them, based on the conservatives I know IRL), but this really can easily apply to most liberals in this case.
Great post, OP. I'm not in one of the super Tuesday states but pretty much all the older black members of my family are voting Biden for the same reasons you laid out.
This is honestly something I've been noticing a lot since last night and it's incredibly gross. I had to put a few people on ignore due to this, blaming everyone and their mama for Bernie losing, and dooming and glooming about giving Trump four more years because Bernie didn't win.
This is honestly something I've been noticing a lot since last night and it's incredibly gross. I had to put a few people on ignore due to this, blaming everyone and their mama for Bernie losing, and dooming and glooming about giving Trump four more years because Bernie didn't win.
Also to add, if you want to blame a group, look at the youth vote. I don't know the exact demographics for this go round, but in '16 Sanders won the younger voters by a significant margin, and won a majority of younger black voters too. The future for the left is pretty bright if Democracy isn't completely killed. His polling among Democrats under 44 has shown that he would have a huge advantage if the holy grail of the youth vote could be cracked. THAT'S where your energy and brain power should be focused if you want significant progress.
Also remember that it's still not over. All of you dumbasses also need to stop panicking so easily.
While things don't look good for Sanders, Biden has only a 70 delegate lead with nearly 3000 pledged delegates still up for grabs. Get a grip.
Also remember that it's still not over. All of you dumbasses also need to stop panicking so easily.
While things don't look good for Sanders, Biden has only a 70 delegate lead with nearly 3000 pledged delegates still up for grabs. Get a grip.
1. Fair enough.
2. It probably has. My point is that the OP is pure conjecture. For instance, I think voting for Biden because he gives you feelings of Obama is stupid, but I have no proof that even a single person did that. So what is there for me to say? I think defensive voting is perfectly valid, but what percentage utilized that tactic?
Thank you, it annoys me when people treat the black vote like a commodity that can be earned by having policy that they personally believe is "what's best" for them.
I'm asking you to explain it to me.
Like, I guess I don't place importance on ceremonies. That's a me thing, I suppose.
I find stuff like that inconsequential when deciding on a candidate.
Great post.
This is the biggest truth and why I cringe deeply at individuals who say they will not vote in the general just because they don't like Biden. Fuck me I guess.
I'm a black Bernie guy, and I felt like I was gonna hate everything you said because I'm so disappointed in last night so result, but you nailed it.
Actually calmed me down a bit. Thanks
Is "low information voters" used by the media for white people who vote R against their own interests?
Have you watched Game of Thrones? It's the exact thing Tyrion explains to Joffrey in the second episode. Absences are noted.
Cool it? 🤣🤣🤣. Okay, sure. This is me cooling it. As a black person, I'm also aware that we aren't a monolith. I'm always aware that people don't tend to ask us why we do or think the things we do. People make assumptions based on preconceived notions. I'm not sure how I'm "shutting down" the OP. If I come to you with data that says "actually X% of people did a thing for this reason", you can than utilize that data for putting forth or rebutting other arguments. Otherwise I'm just guessing. There are ~40 million black people in the US, across every region, and in a multitude of different demographics. I don't want to say any of us did anything for any reason without backing it up, because it doesn't actually help us appreciate the different reasons we all come to our opinions and views.
Also, you had a meeting with "some" black members. Not all. So don't assume they spoke for all us.
You have a funny way of asking. Dismissing what's actually differentiate the candidates and then dismissing part of it when you are told.
I mean, only one candidate has campaigned on working hand-in-hand with republicans.
Only one candidate has bragged about how well they got along with segregationists.
Only one candidate has described Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".
Only one candidate has blamed black mothers for not "playing records at night" so that their kids are educated.
None of those were Bernie.
Only one candidate was the head of a major civil rights equality group and was arrested in a protest for racial equality.
That wasn't Biden.
Only one candidate has bragged about how well they got along with segregationists.
Only one candidate has described Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".
Only one candidate has blamed black mothers for not "playing records at night" so that their kids are educated.
None of those were Bernie.
Only one candidate was the head of a major civil rights equality group and was arrested in a protest for racial equality.
That wasn't Biden.
I appreciate the OP's effort and even-handedness, but it ultimately reads as a long-winded way to say "better things aren't possible and it's better to not try." It strikes me as learned helplessness writ large, not pragmatic harm reduction.
Whatever. I'm along for the ride. Won't be the first time I swallow my pride for a visionless husk of confused yesteryear and almost certainly won't be the last either.
Whatever. I'm along for the ride. Won't be the first time I swallow my pride for a visionless husk of confused yesteryear and almost certainly won't be the last either.
And if you read what he was saying, many black votes voted for Biden anyway, because they know most white people don't care enough for this to effect their vote.
Which you could have done without being dismissive. No one was stopping you from posting data. But you still shit on OP.
Yes. You made it dumber. I was going to let you skate on that.
"I don't understand how attending important black ceremonies and actually talking to black folks that aren't celebrities giving you endorsements matters."
White people don't care about that, and we know white people don't care about that.
The feelings of white people didn't seem to a concern when it came to Hillary vs Obama, and we were all the more better for it.
I just want to say that much of this is pretty much exactly me right down to the Haitian part.
I appreciate you very much for this thread, OP.
And the reaction to Obama was for white people to elect Trump.
Agree with the OP. It really angered me to see the same old dog whistles raised by (some) Bernie supporters against black voters after South Carolina.
How is that "shitting" on the OP? 🤣🤣🤣. Get real. Like, I said, I think voting for Biden because he reminds you of Obama is stupid. So from my perspective, ascribing that motivation to a large swathe of the black primary electorate is "shitting" on them. But hey, you do you. Also, it's amazing how I was being "dismissive", and, yet you strolled in here telling me to "cool it" without actually engaging with the content of what I was saying. And attempted to pull the "black" card. I'm going to laugh about this all day.
I don't have any data to post, which is why I didn't make up an entire thread about how we should talk about why black people voted the way the do. I clicked on this thread, and have read every post in it to gain insight. Some people have provided some, some people haven't.
Well said, on top of point #1 I think a crucial mistake Bernie and his surrogates make is constantly being like "this will be a return to the Obama years if Biden wins". I get the intent of that message but what people hear is "we don't want to go back to when a black guy was running things"
