• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
So Super Tuesday is over and it's looking likely that Joe Biden will be the democratic nominee, in thanks largely to southern states, particularly black voters.

Before going into the topic of this thread, I'd like to make my perspective on what's been going on clear. I'm black and the son of Haitian immigrants. I identify as a socialist and decided to support Bernie this cycle (with Warren as a close second), and I would've voted for him yesterday had my state been a part of Super Tuesday.

To say that last night was disappointing for Sanders supporters is an understatement. Many are curious to know why Biden was able to gain such a massive amount of momentum. Now, I have no problem with people wondering why certain demographics choose to vote the way they do. Post-election analysis is a perfectly normal area of discussion and it's important to ask questions in order to gain a better perspective of things. However I believe that some people not just on here but other sites like Twitter have crossed a line and are not simply expressing curiosity.

Let me make one thing clear, black people who choose to vote for Biden as the nominee this year are not "low-information" voters, nor are they voting against their own interests, nor do they lack empathy. Black voters have access to the same media coverage and resources that every one else does. We know what Bernie's policies are, We know that Biden has a far from sterling reputation concerning black issues. I believe that people who are shocked by Bernie not being the clear front runner coming out of Super Tuesday have trouble reconciling Biden's strong black support and are quick to resort to dogwhistles as a reaction.

I'll try to explain the best that I can why Biden is performing so well among the black community, particularly with older black people.

1) HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BARACK OBAMA - It feels silly that I have to point this out, but Obama was the first black president of the united states. Older black voters like my mother thought that they would never live to actually see something like this happen. Before 2008, Black Presidents were something that you saw Hollywood movies flirt with but never thought would seriously happen. On top of that, Obama is extremely charismatic and his family is looked up to as role models in the black community. Being adjacent to someone like that is no small deal.

2) The black electorate is used to presidential candidates being either oblivious to, if not outright hostile to black issues - It is extremely rare that black voters have the luxury of choosing a candidate that is both viable and speaks to their unique issues. For many, Obama's run in '08 was the first time they truly saw themselves on presidential election stage. Being a black voter in America is a an exercise in harm reduction. We know that when Republicans gain power it's a guarantee that we're going to be hurt. Black voters, especially older ones that have witnessed multiple election deal with the lesser evil because the system rarely offers better viable choices

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.


4) Black Voters are tired. Just like everybody else. - We all want this shit to be over with. Everything about the Trump administration is exhausting. If Trump gets another four years, it's not going to be white who catch the brunt of the consequences. Black voters want things to be stable rather than worry about revolutions on top of making sure we don't get rolled again this year.


To finish this off, I like to speak about this terrible relationship that political media and commentators have with black people. Whenever we help bring a (usually white) candidate to victory, we get everything short of a ticker tape parade for a day or two but then get forgotten about. We're practically the backbone of the democratic party, yet that isn't reflected in policy decisions or coverage of what affects our communities. The minute that the black vote doesn't go exactly the way people expect we get shit on by armchair analysts asking what our damage is and continuing to ignore us. The whole country knows that we vote democratic because the alternative is worse, so why bother actually changing policy for us?

Meanwhile white people can vote in droves to install a blatantly corrupt and authoritarian president, but nobody would dare bad mouth the white electorate. They get article after article after article written about how they were these poor souls who got abandoned and we need to stop being mean to them!

You're allowed to be upset that Bernie isn't doing well. I'm not happy either. I want things in this country to meaningfully change for the better. But these shitty remarks about a group of people who are simply trying to keep their heads above water is completely out of pocket. Take a breath. Gain some perspective. Try something different next time.
 

vypek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,555
I really like this post and everything that it has to say.

I'm black and the son of Haitian immigrants. I identify as a socialist and decided to support Bernie this cycle (with Warren as a close second), and I would've voted for him yesterday had my state been a part of Super Tuesday.
I have so many similarities to this part of your post lol.

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.
This is an especially great point. Was reading a comment like this on FiveThirtyEight last night as well. Its the opinion that I've been hearing from a handful of people I know overall.
 

Dark Knight

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,306
I completely agree. PoC have had enough "they don't know what's good for them" sort of rhetoric directed at them to last ten centuries as it is. They should be allowed the agency everyone else is to make their own calls, political or not. If they feel Biden is their best chance at lancing the cancerous gob in the oval office then that's their perogative.

I'm way more pissed at my white family for voting Biden.
 

Doober

Banned
Jun 10, 2018
4,295
I think some folks on this forum expect some sort of transactional reciprocation for being an "ally" to black people.
 

Htown

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,320
Let me make one thing clear, black people who choose to vote for Biden as the nominee this year are not "low-information" voters, nor are they voting against their own interests, nor do they lack empathy. Black voters have access to the same media coverage and resources that every one else does. We know what Bernie's policies are, We know that Biden has a far from sterling reputation concerning black issues. I believe that people who are shocked by Bernie not being the clear front runner coming out of Super Tuesday have trouble reconciling Biden's strong black support and are quick to resort to dogwhistles as a reaction.

I'll try to explain the best that I can why Biden is performing so well among the black community, particularly with older black people.

1) HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BARACK OBAMA - It feels silly that I have to point this out, but Obama was the first black president of the united states. Older black voters like my mother thought that they would never live to actually see something like this happen. Before 2008, Black Presidents were something that you saw Hollywood movies flirt with but never thought would seriously happen. On top of that, Obama is extremely charismatic and his family is looked up to as role models in the black community. Being adjacent to someone like that is no small deal.

2) The black electorate is used to presidential candidates being either oblivious to, if not outright hostile to black issues - It is extremely rare that black voters have the luxury of choosing a candidate that is both viable and speaks to their unique issues. For many, Obama's run in '08 was the first time they truly saw themselves on presidential election stage. Being a black voter in America is a an exercise in harm reduction. We know that when Republicans gain power it's a guarantee that we're going to be hurt. Black voters, especially older ones that have witnessed multiple election deal with the lesser evil because the system rarely offers better viable choices

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.


4) Black Voters are tired. Just like everybody else. - We all want this shit to be over with. Everything about the Trump administration is exhausting. If Trump gets another four years, it's not going to be white who catch the brunt of the consequences. Black voters want things to be stable rather than worry about revolutions on top of making sure we don't get rolled again this year.


To finish this off, I like to speak about this terrible relationship that political media and commentators have with black people. Whenever we help bring a (usually white) candidate to victory, we get everything short of a ticker tape parade for a day or two but then get forgotten about. We're practically the backbone of the democratic party, yet that isn't reflected in policy decisions or coverage of what affects our communities. The minute that the black vote doesn't go exactly the way people expect we get shit on by armchair analysts asking what our damage is and continuing to ignore us. The whole country knows that we vote democratic because the alternative is worse, so why bother actually changing policy for us?

Meanwhile white people can vote in droves to install a blatantly corrupt and authoritarian president, but nobody would dare bad mouth the white electorate. They get article after article after article written about how they were these poor souls who got abandoned and we need to stop being mean to them!

You're allowed to be upset that Bernie isn't doing well. I'm not happy either. I want things in this country to meaningfully change for the better. But these shitty remarks about a group of people who are simply trying to keep their heads above water is completely out of pocket. Take a breath. Gain some perspective. Try something different next time.
Yes. All of this.
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
I talked to my parents so their covered but I have been in some interesting conversations with other older black folk and even some of those who are voting for Sander's wanted him to modify hispolcy positions like a typical politican.

I think I have helped assuage the concerns of older Bernie supporters but there is some overthinking metagaming that's really hurting Sander's appeal.

One thing is for sure from my experience, older primary voters are not low information voters.
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,496
That all seems pretty understandable to me.

I think part of the mistake people are making (the ones who aren't just lashing out or being racist) is viewing the black vote as a monolith instead of something that is subject to the same kinds of internal demographic breakdown as anybody else. The youth vote has pretty similar preferences and turnout problems as everybody else, for instance.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
It's pretty gross. The people who vote in primaries are generally the most informed. While I think the choice to vote for Biden is a poor one it was mostly made by people who knew what they were voting for.
 

Zastava

Member
Feb 19, 2018
2,108
London
Great post OP. It is absolutely OK to be disappointed by the results. It is not OK to lash out and suggest groups who didn't support your chosen candidate are stupid, ignorant, selfish or don't know what's good for them.

I'd particularly like to draw attention to the part about voting being a form of harm reduction. This is especially true for minorities but is basically true for everyone. Sometimes you got to vote for someone who is far from perfect but is going to be better on tons of issues than the other guy. Biden is probably going to be disappointing on healthcare and climate change, but at least he isn't going to make things actively worse like Trump would.

I think some folks on this forum expect some sort of transactional reciprocation for being an "ally" to black people.
Truth.
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,713
United States
I've come to understand that this is extremely common with white people in general and it's been a big topic of conversation this election cycle. I listened to Osita Nwanevu talk to Jane Coaston about this on a Vox podcast before Super Tuesday. I don't normally listen to the podcast but was recommended the episode just for perspective on this specifically.

White people are insulated by white supremacy and therefore do not have as much to lose by taking risks. White leftists in particular who may feel like they have nothing to lose due to their economic or medical situation are really aggressive about what they're willing to do. But even folks like this (of which I am one) are not at the same risk as black Americans should these plans fail. It's not fair to expect or demand black voters to take the same risks we are willing to take as white people when the consequences for them could be so much worse if it fails.

When white people's plans fail, it can be defeating or embarrassing but many have the luxury of going back to their normal lives. When black people's plans fail, their lives may never be the same.

So when black people are not willing to take the same risks to achieve the same goals, some white people just cannot understand this. Their inability to understand why a black person would not take the same risks as them causes them to say a lot of the things you outline here. It all boils down to believing black people don't know what's good for them.

Black people have experience with navigating racial inequality and surviving white supremacy so it seems pretty elementary to trust them when they say they're not willing to do things the same way white people want to - even if they have the same goals. I think white people on the Left struggle a lot with the fact that they are trying to help minorities and reduce racial disparity but without actually talking to or involving a lot of black people.

I can't fault black people for voting for Joe Biden, even though I didn't. Contrary to what a lot of white people think, black people are pretty good at knowing what's best for them to survive in this country.
 

zero_suit

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,577
Excellent post. As a fellow black man, it is still disappointing. Biden is a poor candidate, and will do nothing significant for us. Things will go back to "normal" which was never good for us.
 

Convasse

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,818
Atlanta, GA, USA
Son of Barbadian/Antiguan immigrants checking in.
Co-signed.
Bernie has some decent ideas, but a large swath of the white electorate will not choose him over Trump and if he did win, he would get stonewalled at every turn.
Biden will return us to the status quo. Meh. When was America ever great for us darkies? Someone remind me, I'm drawing blanks.
But, it doesn't surprise me that some Bernie Bros. are ready to throw hands with "the blacks" for failing to toe the line.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,033
Milwaukee, WI
As a white dude who will vote for Bernie, I found it very very very upsetting the way Bernie supporters talked about black voters in 2016. As in "he was part of the civil rights movement!" as if that some how automatically earns a vote.

That said, it's a long race to go.
 

skillzilla81

Self-requested temporary ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,043
Excellent post. As a fellow black man, it is still disappointing. Biden is a poor candidate, and will do nothing significant for us. Things will go back to "normal" which was never good for us.

Yes, but a lot of black voters don't trust the white electorate, so trying to maintain the status quo is the safer choice.

I voted for Warren, but I know a lot of my aunties and uncles voted for Biden.
 

Aly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,148
Yes. Agreed with all of that OP. My family was all about Biden yesterday because of many of the reasons you've outlined and hearing people whine about black people not knowing whats good for us is annoying and frustrating.
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,996
Thank you for sharing. While it wasn't surprising to see after how 2016 discourse was as well, it was still disheartening to see so much heel turning on the black community and acting like they/we know better when there was certainly no room to talk when it came to any demographic if that's the game being played.

I think some folks on this forum expect some sort of transactional reciprocation for being an "ally" to black people.

No kidding. A lot of "allies" don't seem to get that in the end we don't know shit and have no place in determining other's agency, on top of that our house is nowhere near in order and is generally bringing down everyone else.
 

AliceAmber

Drive-in Mutant
Administrator
May 2, 2018
6,701
We're practically the backbone of the democratic party, yet that isn't reflected in policy decisions or coverage of what affects our communities. The minute that the black vote doesn't go exactly the way people expect we get shit on by armchair analysts asking what our damage is and continuing to ignore us. The whole country knows that we vote democratic because the alternative is worse, so why bother actually changing policy for us?

Incredibly well put. And this x 1000
 

Bigkrev

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,322
I'm not black, but as a cis gay Jewish guy who spent years getting mildly annoyed by being told "why don't you dress better" or "can you do the check split here, you have to be better at money than the rest of us",(and having no idea what the term microaggression meant) the "Low information voter" narrative I saw back in 2016 really opened my eyes to just how insidious dog whistling racism actually is, and how many people don't even realize they are doing it. It's easy to point out when white people use blatently racist language, or act in blatently racist ways.... but there are so many people who don't think they have a racist bone in their body just assuming that black people are "low information voters" because they didn't side with what they perceive as the "correct choice" for them to make. Its a statement that a whole race of people are too dumb to have the power to influence their own lives, that we must "teach" them why they are wrong so that they can make the correct decision.

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.
If anything, this displays deep knowledge of the system, and the complete opposite of "Low Information"
 

ShortNasty

Member
Dec 15, 2017
1,008
This isn't a "serious talk", it's tales from the back of your head. You didn't post any polls, links, or quotes. What things that were said crossed the line? What specific policies or proposals did Biden put forth that resonated with the black community?
 

PeskyToaster

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,314
I think some folks on this forum expect some sort of transactional reciprocation for being an "ally" to black people.

Technically being an ally implies that you are party to an alliance which means a mutually beneficial relationship towards a common purpose. What does each party get in this alliance, I can't really say.
 

Urban Scholar

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,603
Florida
This is an excellent post on this subject.

So Super Tuesday is over and it's looking likely that Joe Biden will be the democratic nominee, in thanks largely to southern states, particularly black voters.

Before going into the topic of this thread, I'd like to make my perspective on what's been going on clear. I'm black and the son of Haitian immigrants. I identify as a socialist and decided to support Bernie this cycle (with Warren as a close second), and I would've voted for him yesterday had my state been a part of Super Tuesday.

To say that last night was disappointing for Sanders supporters is an understatement. Many are curious to know why Biden was able to gain such a massive amount of momentum. Now, I have no problem with people wondering why certain demographics choose to vote the way they do. Post-election analysis is a perfectly normal area of discussion and it's important to ask questions in order to gain a better perspective of things. However I believe that some people not just on here but other sites like Twitter have crossed a line and are not simply expressing curiosity.

Let me make one thing clear, black people who choose to vote for Biden as the nominee this year are not "low-information" voters, nor are they voting against their own interests, nor do they lack empathy. Black voters have access to the same media coverage and resources that every one else does. We know what Bernie's policies are, We know that Biden has a far from sterling reputation concerning black issues. I believe that people who are shocked by Bernie not being the clear front runner coming out of Super Tuesday have trouble reconciling Biden's strong black support and are quick to resort to dogwhistles as a reaction.

I'll try to explain the best that I can why Biden is performing so well among the black community, particularly with older black people.

1) HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BARACK OBAMA - It feels silly that I have to point this out, but Obama was the first black president of the united states. Older black voters like my mother thought that they would never live to actually see something like this happen. Before 2008, Black Presidents were something that you saw Hollywood movies flirt with but never thought would seriously happen. On top of that, Obama is extremely charismatic and his family is looked up to as role models in the black community. Being adjacent to someone like that is no small deal.

2) The black electorate is used to presidential candidates being either oblivious to, if not outright hostile to black issues - It is extremely rare that black voters have the luxury of choosing a candidate that is both viable and speaks to their unique issues. For many, Obama's run in '08 was the first time they truly saw themselves on presidential election stage. Being a black voter in America is a an exercise in harm reduction. We know that when Republicans gain power it's a guarantee that we're going to be hurt. Black voters, especially older ones that have witnessed multiple election deal with the lesser evil because the system rarely offers better viable choices

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.


4) Black Voters are tired. Just like everybody else. - We all want this shit to be over with. Everything about the Trump administration is exhausting. If Trump gets another four years, it's not going to be white who catch the brunt of the consequences. Black voters want things to be stable rather than worry about revolutions on top of making sure we don't get rolled again this year.


To finish this off, I like to speak about this terrible relationship that political media and commentators have with black people. Whenever we help bring a (usually white) candidate to victory, we get everything short of a ticker tape parade for a day or two but then get forgotten about. We're practically the backbone of the democratic party, yet that isn't reflected in policy decisions or coverage of what affects our communities. The minute that the black vote doesn't go exactly the way people expect we get shit on by armchair analysts asking what our damage is and continuing to ignore us. The whole country knows that we vote democratic because the alternative is worse, so why bother actually changing policy for us?

Meanwhile white people can vote in droves to install a blatantly corrupt and authoritarian president, but nobody would dare bad mouth the white electorate. They get article after article after article written about how they were these poor souls who got abandoned and we need to stop being mean to them!

You're allowed to be upset that Bernie isn't doing well. I'm not happy either. I want things in this country to meaningfully change for the better. But these shitty remarks about a group of people who are simply trying to keep their heads above water is completely out of pocket. Take a breath. Gain some perspective. Try something different next time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,789
They aren't monolithic, plenty of them voted for Bernie or Warren and let's face it, most voter demographics have learned behaviors even if they are self-destructive. Trump isn't good for poor whites either but they felt he ensures some sort of survival regardless. I think at the core the system is to blame. People feel locked into a straight jacket because diversity is discouraged, why can't I pick my top 3?
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,110
As a Black man and son of African immigrants this is 1:1 on my thoughts pretty much, I voted for Bernie but I know a bunch of older folks in my extended fam/community who went Biden because they thought he's who white rust belters would want. Not "low-info" voters but people exercising a strategic vote since their main concern is getting Trump outta here (even if I and many other younger black folks disagree on the strategy)
 

chaobreaker

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,543
It helps that Bernie did more than nothing to specifically appease black voters in both 2016 and 2020. People will point to hiring staffers like Nina Turner but that's not enough.
 
Oct 27, 2017
12,979
The thinly veiled racism and blatant stereotypes (low information etc) from self professed "progressive" people are offensive and need to be met with, at the very least, warnings.

Wonderful post, OP. This should be pinned at the top of every political thread.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,116
So Super Tuesday is over and it's looking likely that Joe Biden will be the democratic nominee, in thanks largely to southern states, particularly black voters.

Before going into the topic of this thread, I'd like to make my perspective on what's been going on clear. I'm black and the son of Haitian immigrants. I identify as a socialist and decided to support Bernie this cycle (with Warren as a close second), and I would've voted for him yesterday had my state been a part of Super Tuesday.

To say that last night was disappointing for Sanders supporters is an understatement. Many are curious to know why Biden was able to gain such a massive amount of momentum. Now, I have no problem with people wondering why certain demographics choose to vote the way they do. Post-election analysis is a perfectly normal area of discussion and it's important to ask questions in order to gain a better perspective of things. However I believe that some people not just on here but other sites like Twitter have crossed a line and are not simply expressing curiosity.

Let me make one thing clear, black people who choose to vote for Biden as the nominee this year are not "low-information" voters, nor are they voting against their own interests, nor do they lack empathy. Black voters have access to the same media coverage and resources that every one else does. We know what Bernie's policies are, We know that Biden has a far from sterling reputation concerning black issues. I believe that people who are shocked by Bernie not being the clear front runner coming out of Super Tuesday have trouble reconciling Biden's strong black support and are quick to resort to dogwhistles as a reaction.

I'll try to explain the best that I can why Biden is performing so well among the black community, particularly with older black people.

1) HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BARACK OBAMA - It feels silly that I have to point this out, but Obama was the first black president of the united states. Older black voters like my mother thought that they would never live to actually see something like this happen. Before 2008, Black Presidents were something that you saw Hollywood movies flirt with but never thought would seriously happen. On top of that, Obama is extremely charismatic and his family is looked up to as role models in the black community. Being adjacent to someone like that is no small deal.

2) The black electorate is used to presidential candidates being either oblivious to, if not outright hostile to black issues - It is extremely rare that black voters have the luxury of choosing a candidate that is both viable and speaks to their unique issues. For many, Obama's run in '08 was the first time they truly saw themselves on presidential election stage. Being a black voter in America is a an exercise in harm reduction. We know that when Republicans gain power it's a guarantee that we're going to be hurt. Black voters, especially older ones that have witnessed multiple election deal with the lesser evil because the system rarely offers better viable choices

3) They don't trust Bernie's electability and ability to actuate his policies. - It's one thing to believe Bernie's policies will be better for you. It's another to believe he has a chance of winning. Black People don't not trust white people to choose socialism over trumpism. They see Bernie as a risk. They don't think the senate would allow his bills to pass. The top priority of older black voters is to get Trump out of the White House. These past four years have been traumatic as it is and another four would be such a disaster that naturally they want to go for a candidate that they consider safe. I personally think that Bernie's chances are better than the media give him credit for, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does.


4) Black Voters are tired. Just like everybody else. - We all want this shit to be over with. Everything about the Trump administration is exhausting. If Trump gets another four years, it's not going to be white who catch the brunt of the consequences. Black voters want things to be stable rather than worry about revolutions on top of making sure we don't get rolled again this year.


To finish this off, I like to speak about this terrible relationship that political media and commentators have with black people. Whenever we help bring a (usually white) candidate to victory, we get everything short of a ticker tape parade for a day or two but then get forgotten about. We're practically the backbone of the democratic party, yet that isn't reflected in policy decisions or coverage of what affects our communities. The minute that the black vote doesn't go exactly the way people expect we get shit on by armchair analysts asking what our damage is and continuing to ignore us. The whole country knows that we vote democratic because the alternative is worse, so why bother actually changing policy for us?

Meanwhile white people can vote in droves to install a blatantly corrupt and authoritarian president, but nobody would dare bad mouth the white electorate. They get article after article after article written about how they were these poor souls who got abandoned and we need to stop being mean to them!


You're allowed to be upset that Bernie isn't doing well. I'm not happy either. I want things in this country to meaningfully change for the better. But these shitty remarks about a group of people who are simply trying to keep their heads above water is completely out of pocket. Take a breath. Gain some perspective. Try something different next time.
You are too good for this internet
 

Deleted member 8741

user requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,917
Great post, thank you for sharing. I'm a white person in a place of privilege, but the majority of people that are not in my position that I've talked to have shared similar perspectives.
 

Kaelan

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,641
Maryland
I'm black myself, and the problem I have is its mainly old black people who are voting for biden. They want things to go back to what it was, they want to go back to Obama's era. The problem I have with my people is this: we are never going back to Obama's era. It's a legit thinking error to think that is possible. We will never get back to that time.

Sure, biden has decent policies, he has a good chance of winning. But so does Bernie. Polls show BOTH of them beating trump. So what gives? We need to stop thinking "oh hey, he was connected to obama and was with him, so he must be good!". It's mental hoops to jump through.

If anything, my people (and the younger ones are), should support bernie. His policies have incredible implications for health care and beyond. I get the point of a lot of that not looking like it will pass, but are people even thinking that? Most of the people in my town aren't, they just know he was with Obama so he has a better chance. Idk man, just anecdotes here.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,939
Yup. Bernie didn't do the work he needed to earn the electorate's votes. It's as simple as that. Countless analysts and leaders within the black community have pointed this problem out since 2016 but the most vocal online portion of Bernie's supporters have generally preferred to ignore it in favor of diet racist takes that confirm their existing worldview.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,116
The thinly veiled racism and blatant stereotypes (low information etc) from self professed "progressive" people are offensive and need to be met with, at the very least, warnings.

Wonderful post, OP. This should be pinned at the top of every political thread.
I always urge to report it. We don't always see everything but we will get to report in a semi timely manner. And trust me we always having conversations about this stuff.
 

davepoobond

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,613
www.squackle.com
I agree completely and every time I read someone complaining about "moderates" voting for Biden, it's just a veiled way to say "black people." The same shit happened in 2016 when Bernie ceded the south, he didn't appeal to black people then either, but it wasn't HIS fault, it was the voters fault
 

Deleted member 48897

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 22, 2018
13,623
I'm black myself, and the problem I have is its mainly old black people who are voting for biden.

Yeah this is the thing that's getting me. The assumption that Black folks aren't going for Sanders isn't true if you account for age (and it's also not true depending on region either; the deep south may not support Sanders but Michigan turned out quite strongly for him as I recall back in 2016). The good news is that this means the movement isn't going to slow down, and it'll only be easier to find lefty folks who are able to speak to the specific needs of Black communities!
 

Doober

Banned
Jun 10, 2018
4,295
I agree completely and every time I read someone complaining about "moderates" voting for Biden, it's just a veiled way to say "black people." The same shit happened in 2016 when Bernie ceded the south, he didn't appeal to black people then either, but it wasn't HIS fault, it was the voters fault

Well yeah, nothing is ever Bernie's fault. He can never fail, he can only be failed.
 

platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
Meanwhile white people can vote in droves to install a blatantly corrupt and authoritarian president, but nobody would dare bad mouth the white electorate. They get article after article after article written about how they were these poor souls who got abandoned and we need to stop being mean to them!
This right here. Its what annoys me the most. the black electorate still pales in comparison to the overall white majority and until the white majority changes sides there is no way we have enough voting power alone to sway national elections enough, and many have been burned in the past. more than anything the obama effect plus familiarity helps biden a lot.
 

thewienke

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,955
That all seems pretty understandable to me.

I think part of the mistake people are making (the ones who aren't just lashing out or being racist) is viewing the black vote as a monolith instead of something that is subject to the same kinds of internal demographic breakdown as anybody else. The youth vote has pretty similar preferences and turnout problems as everybody else, for instance.

This seems very true to me and I think people think of them as a monolith because they'll always vote blue in a general election.

Within a democratic primary though, there's a world of difference between someone that is older and attends church versus someone that is younger and non religious. If they didn't both understand that Republicans are out to screw them over, there isn't necessarily a whole lot of overlap there.
 

Soundscream

Member
Nov 2, 2017
9,234
This isn't a "serious talk", it's tales from the back of your head. You didn't post any polls, links, or quotes. What things that were said crossed the line? What specific policies or proposals did Biden put forth that resonated with the black community?
What the fuck I just had to report someone for blaiming blacks for how they vote yesterday.