Fox news will take Biden sound clips and turn them around to feed their echo chamber.
What else do you think will happen?
What else do you think will happen?
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We are less than One week away from the first Presidential Debate, "Biden Vs. Trump", how are you feeling going into it ?
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I predict Biden will slip up a few words or say something incorrectly. Like he recently said 200 million have died from covid. Trumpers and Fox News will replay the clips over and over until they are driven into the ground and that's all anyone remembers from the debate, even though trump can't put together a sentence
Trump doesn't bother to debate. If you remember 2016, he would purposely interrupt both the moderator and Clinton. It's like having a cranky 4 year old arguing everything.
I really wish the moderator would take away talking time every time he interrupts. It won't happen but I can dream.
I really wish the moderator would take away talking time every time he interrupts. It won't happen but I can dream.
Basically this
These debates will be the end of Biden. Have no idea why he agreed to them
And then if that happened it would also be a win for Trump because he could claim the fake news is stealing away his chance to talk. At this point the debates are basically a no lose situation for Trump, imo because he's just going to act like a fucking child as always and get away with it. I can't imagine there is really a single person out there who is going to have their minds changed by these debates, but I guess it's still important to have them. On the other side, I also think Biden can't really lose barring a catastrophic word salad fuck up. The right (and a ton on the left as well) have spent the past months/year painting him as a senile old man who can't even form coherent sentences. So the bar for Biden is so low that him just walking to the debate stage would be seen as a 'win' in the general public's eye. It's going to be a god damn shit show..
Basically. Not sure I'll bother watching or not. I'm ready to be supremely aggravated if I do.
I'm ready for the post debate analysts to hyper focus on Biden for mis-speaking, and give Trump props if he is remotely comprehensible, or if he trips up Biden with some off the wall statement or insult.
Chuck Todd will declare Trump victor in at least one debate regardless of content.
Not sure how the viewership will respond as Biden is better than Hillary at projecting that "I'm just a normal guy" image, though Hillary was more laser focused and didn't take the bait.
I feel like Homer Simpson when he fell into an inter-dimensional vortex...cautiously optimistic.
I'm just going to end up frustrated so I'm not going to watch and I'll get recaps the next day.
I'm fairly certain joe will respond based on how he was in primaries when he was getting locked out or cut off. He won't pull a hillary, he maybe gaffe prone but joe will tee off if it comes to that.
Aghast in advance. I fully expect the president to make more authoritarian statements and explicit threats towards the opposition, and observers will still look like deers caught by a speeding car on a rural road at night.
Same. I can't stand the sound of trumps childish voice anymore
It's going to be one big cringefest.
These are the two choices we have. It's already an embarrassment.
Can't when the POTUS is literally at this point saying he will steal the election.
Hope joe has the fortitude to bring this and half his other shit up during debate.
Okay, so I know a lot of people are worried about the outcome of this debate and the other debates, but as someone who has followed American Politics and the past 4-5 years especially with a lot of vigor, here's some information that I think is being forgotten/lost. Lets talk about Trump's "effectiveness".
Trump strives in two specific scenarios;
1. When he has a large crowd to work.
2. When he is not challenged on his rhetoric.
But the important thing to note, is that neither of these circumstances exist in these debates. These debates are happening in front of no or very limited crowds, and Biden as well as the Moderators will be there to challenge Trump. For the first point, just look at any situation where Trump has not been in front of a large crowd. The recent ABC Town Hall, his Presidential addresses, to a lesser extent his press briefings, and to an extent the 2016 debates. When Trump can play to the crowd, it gives the illusion of him being effective. The few times he had good moments in his debates against Clinton, were when he was able to throw out zingers that the audience worked off--the most well known one was probably the "cause you'd be in jail" line that was 100% a play to the crowd, and was the only highlight I can remember off the top of my head for him.
The second point is an even bigger hurdle for him. Trump hates being challenged, and when he is, he looks completely ineffective. We have seen this happen multiple times in interviews and in press briefings. The Johnathon Swan interview was such a smashing success because Swan forced follow up questions in a way that completely disarmed Trump and left him looking like an actual fool. We see this in press briefings when (specifically female) reporters challenge him and stand their ground--he ends up defeated and just walks out or ends up in heated exchanges that remind people how garbage he is. The most recent ABC Town Hall showed that even when challenged by every day people, Trump is absolutely incapable of responding. The reception of that Town Hall was overwhelmingly negative for Trump.
This is also where the 2016 debates are telling. In the 2016 Republican Primary, Trump didn't really win any of the debates, he was just the most entertaining figure on the stage. I recall multiple debates where he was outright booed by the crowd in fact. Once he got to the Presidential debates and had to deal with being challenged one on one by Clinton, he absolutely floundered. Here is the results according to the Wiki article on the 2016 Presidential Debates, here was the results of the first presidential debate:
Overwhelmingly people thought he lost, and it didn't improve in subsequent debates--his numbers went up after the third debate, but I imagine that was just people more willing to admit they liked him, and he was still overwhelmingly considered the loser. And I should note, Clinton isn't/wasn't a particularly effective debater, and her strategy was more to just be a fact checker and dismiss his rhetoric as absurd--because do to the dynamics of the race, she couldn't really ever go on the offensive (because sexism). Biden can attack Trump in ways Clinton could not, and now he has 4 years of Trump's record to attack. Trump's most commonly repeated lies aren't going to fly now that we have actual history to compare them to. Biden has a very good campaign team around him, and you can bet it is full of people who have spent years developing a strategy to attack Trump on during these debates.
As a final recap, this means we have an incumbent President who is not preparing for debates, who has a history of not doing well in debates, who is not good when being challenged, who is completely ineffective without a crowd, partaking in a debate with a challenger that will be prepared and experienced, can go on the offensive, and has spent the last 9 months preparing for crowdless events.
Trump strives in two specific scenarios;
1. When he has a large crowd to work.
2. When he is not challenged on his rhetoric.
But the important thing to note, is that neither of these circumstances exist in these debates. These debates are happening in front of no or very limited crowds, and Biden as well as the Moderators will be there to challenge Trump. For the first point, just look at any situation where Trump has not been in front of a large crowd. The recent ABC Town Hall, his Presidential addresses, to a lesser extent his press briefings, and to an extent the 2016 debates. When Trump can play to the crowd, it gives the illusion of him being effective. The few times he had good moments in his debates against Clinton, were when he was able to throw out zingers that the audience worked off--the most well known one was probably the "cause you'd be in jail" line that was 100% a play to the crowd, and was the only highlight I can remember off the top of my head for him.
The second point is an even bigger hurdle for him. Trump hates being challenged, and when he is, he looks completely ineffective. We have seen this happen multiple times in interviews and in press briefings. The Johnathon Swan interview was such a smashing success because Swan forced follow up questions in a way that completely disarmed Trump and left him looking like an actual fool. We see this in press briefings when (specifically female) reporters challenge him and stand their ground--he ends up defeated and just walks out or ends up in heated exchanges that remind people how garbage he is. The most recent ABC Town Hall showed that even when challenged by every day people, Trump is absolutely incapable of responding. The reception of that Town Hall was overwhelmingly negative for Trump.
This is also where the 2016 debates are telling. In the 2016 Republican Primary, Trump didn't really win any of the debates, he was just the most entertaining figure on the stage. I recall multiple debates where he was outright booed by the crowd in fact. Once he got to the Presidential debates and had to deal with being challenged one on one by Clinton, he absolutely floundered. Here is the results according to the Wiki article on the 2016 Presidential Debates, here was the results of the first presidential debate:
Overwhelmingly people thought he lost, and it didn't improve in subsequent debates--his numbers went up after the third debate, but I imagine that was just people more willing to admit they liked him, and he was still overwhelmingly considered the loser. And I should note, Clinton isn't/wasn't a particularly effective debater, and her strategy was more to just be a fact checker and dismiss his rhetoric as absurd--because do to the dynamics of the race, she couldn't really ever go on the offensive (because sexism). Biden can attack Trump in ways Clinton could not, and now he has 4 years of Trump's record to attack. Trump's most commonly repeated lies aren't going to fly now that we have actual history to compare them to. Biden has a very good campaign team around him, and you can bet it is full of people who have spent years developing a strategy to attack Trump on during these debates.
As a final recap, this means we have an incumbent President who is not preparing for debates, who has a history of not doing well in debates, who is not good when being challenged, who is completely ineffective without a crowd, partaking in a debate with a challenger that will be prepared and experienced, can go on the offensive, and has spent the last 9 months preparing for crowdless events.
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So it's tomorrow and hoping that Biden does good and hopefully motivates anybody that wasn't going to vote before and finally does, if this is disastrous for Trump because of no crowd to eat his shit, he might boycott the rest until he can bring in his supporters,
Good Luck Biden, America is counting on you.
Good Luck Biden, America is counting on you.
I'm not even going to bother watching. There's nothing ultimately to be gained. Biden will try to debate like an actual politician, Trump will put on a show and control the conversation while Wallace flounders around trying to keep some semblance of control while Trump runs the show. It's a pointless endeavor and I wish Biden had just not done the debates
I hope Biden wipes his ass with Trump, which shouldnt be too difficult considering the ammo gifted to him.
...but I'm not watching.
...but I'm not watching.
I don't agree with the second part, but I do agree with it being a no win. I have no idea what is going through Biden and his team's head with agreeing to these debates. There's so many outs that could be used here that would be so much smarter, but trying to do an actual debate is so dumb and will literally do nothing for him in the end. Still operating in the old politics of America when that America is dead and gone.
We need a "You're no JFK moment" to help sink that criminal fucking bastard. I hope Biden can pull it off.
Either way, I don't expect things to swing too much due to these debates but who knows.
Either way, I don't expect things to swing too much due to these debates but who knows.
Since I'm allergic to cringe and fascism, watching 90 minutes of Trump would put me in the hospital. I'll be here on ERA, reading the takes.
I get up for an early shift at 4 AM on Wednesday so I have to sleep super early tomorrow... thank god, because this would be too stressful to watch lol.
I would like to think that, after four years, political strategists have cracked the code on anti-Trump debate tactics and passed that on to Biden.
Really, if the DNC didn't have someone on the payroll doing such research, they're guilty of gross political malpractice.
Really, if the DNC didn't have someone on the payroll doing such research, they're guilty of gross political malpractice.
Biden will fuck up, Trump will start talking fast not letting Biden talk, once Biden has the chance to talk he will need a few seconds to think about what he wants to say and he will look weak and old. Hope I'm wrong, but...