WB Games Strikes Again: MK11 single player (non-story) progression is reportedly agonizingly slow/difficult

Yog-Sothoth · Apr 19, 2019

flyingman said:
I love these kind of threads because people in first page probably never plays topic related game or even reads OP but just says shit like " well this makes me not buy it"

like you were going to buy at first place

I don't know about others but I was going to get this day 1. You can watch my post history or whatever.
So not everything is fake outrage. Buy the game and enjoy it, but don't pretend this kind of news don't dissuade people who were genuinely interested.

Garlador · Apr 19, 2019

Santar said:
That is in the eye of the beholder though. I've seen quite a few people on here calling Injustice 2's multiverse bullshit for not giving them the gear drop they wanted. It's like they just play the mode for the reward and not for the actual gameplay.

There can (and should) be a healthy balance.

I love Injustice 2. There's a reason I'm STILL playing Injustice 2, and have been playing it since launch.

But even playing it habitually, having sunk hundreds upon hundreds of hours into it, cleared thousands of multiverses, played tens of thousands of matches...

... I still don't have the gear sets I wanted that were shown off in preview footage for the characters I main. I've barely made a dent in the Legendary Multiverses, since all the playing I did prior to their implementation didn't count. I STILL don't have the "Cat Call" ability for Catwoman, and that has an Achievement/Trophy tied to it (one of the last ones I need).

Playing it is fun, yes. But getting what you want? Well, the RNG gods frowned on me since Day 1, and it's frustrating to try and grind it out - for dozens of hours - with nothing substantial to show for your efforts.

Scuffed · Apr 19, 2019

Wow what a hype killer. I was pumped after that trailer and almost pre-ordered lol. I'll just wait for a steep discount and watch some streams of it.

MadLaughter · Apr 19, 2019

Santar said:
That is in the eye of the beholder though. I've seen quite a few people on here calling Injustice 2's multiverse bullshit for not giving them the gear drop they wanted. It's like they just play the mode for the reward and not for the actual gameplay.

Sure, but the impressions in the OP are for people that liked the Injustice 2 mode. So the people that hated it are going to hate it EVEN MORE.

Ogawa-san · Apr 19, 2019

My take coming from Injustice 2 is that Netherrealm has the best and worst single player modes in fighting games, so it's easy to believe WB is responsible for MK11's bullshit.

CaptainKashup said:
I loved the grinding in IJ2 and I'm glad it's back in MK11.
Am I..
Am I a bad person ?

I loved it too, for about an hour. Then I realized the reason why bronze boxes are so abundant and the best towers require gold to unlock, some more than I've gotten in hours of playing.

bbq of doom · Apr 19, 2019

I'm fine with a grind if it's fun. Reading more impressions and this doesn't seem fun. Hopefully NRS adjusts it soon or Towers of Time will do the opposite of their intention.

2shd · Apr 19, 2019

Santar said:
That is in the eye of the beholder though. I've seen quite a few people on here calling Injustice 2's multiverse bullshit for not giving them the gear drop they wanted. It's like they just play the mode for the reward and not for the actual gameplay.

Plenty of us who played it for both the gameplay and rewards found it to be BS.

GFP_RYU · Apr 19, 2019

Yog-Sothoth said:
Yeah went from Day 1 to wait for reviews/impressions and MK is one of my favorite franchises ever.

The fact that almost everything (including offline stuff) seems to be tied to a server is the killing blow for me.

Some mobile devs have more scruples than WB.

Wait, offline tied to a server? Does it mean this is similar to always online game?

Laser Ramon · Apr 19, 2019

I was literally just about to go pre-order. Shao Kahn can wait until I hear more impressions.

Freedom = $1.05 · Apr 19, 2019

They've been inching to this with every release. Sucks

TheDarkKnight · Apr 19, 2019

This doesn't personally bother me. Now that gear is back to cosmetics only and they got rid of loot boxes my focus was always story mode and online. And based on previous WB/NRS games with lootboxes gone you knew it'd show up somewhere else.

Santar · Apr 19, 2019

GFP_RYU said:
Wait, offline tied to a server? Does it mean this is similar to always online game?

Yes, most of the game is always online.
You can't play Towers of Time (endlessly replayable mode with all sorts of missions) and the krypt (where you unlock stuff) offline. You can't unlock new costumes or equipment offline either. You can't wven save your own customized fighters while offline. It really sucks and I really really hope they will patch it out so you can do everything offline.

Persagen · Apr 19, 2019

I hope the Krypt isn't ruined. Always loved going through and unlocking stuff.

2shd · Apr 19, 2019

Ogawa-san said:
My take coming from Injustice 2 is that Netherrealm has the best and worst single player modes in fighting games, so it's easy to believe WB is responsible for MK11's bullshit.

You have Boon saying in an interview a dream game of his is a persistant online one where you're afraid to stop playing. NRS has job postings for monetization analysts. Dev studios want to bring in the microtransaction money as much as publishers. I have no doubt NRS designs the systems for their games.

Moist_Owlet · Apr 19, 2019

Fucking hell why is it so hard for a company to not be shit?

giancarlo123x · Apr 19, 2019

flyingman said:
I love these kind of threads because people in first page probably never plays topic related game or even reads OP but just says shit like " well this makes me not buy it"

like you were going to buy at first place

Yeah, I felt this way for a shit load of the post.

low-G · Apr 19, 2019

Same shit as DOA6 tried to pull and they ended up with a game you can unlock everything quite quick in. I hate this BS.

At least with MK I don't think of the series as a costume-filled fighter (after all, all the earlier games had NONE), but some of those costumes have looked really cool...

Soj · Apr 19, 2019

Santar said:
Yes, most of the game is always online.
You can't play Towers of Time (endlessly replayable mode with all sorts of missions) and the krypt (where you unlock stuff) offline. You can't unlock new costumes or equipment offline either. You can't wven save your own customized fighters while offline. It really sucks and I really really hope they will patch it out so you can do everything offline.

You need to be online to save your character customization? That's just fucking stupid.

Dphex · Apr 19, 2019

Persagen said:
I hope the Krypt isn't ruined. Always loved going through and unlocking stuff.

the Krypt is riddled with many boxes which contain icons for your variations and concept art.

Superfun to waste your hard earned Kombat Koins on! there are many chests which cost up tp 16000 Koins which have literally crap inside. and there are also "hearts" as a currency you can get when doing fatalities, these hearts are used in the Krypt for some special chests too. It is grindy as fuck.

There is also a Forge where you can forge items through recipes and mats, so welcome to crafting shit with limited resources in a fighting game.

besides that, as i already said in times of lootbox debates, the whole Krypt comes off as one giant meta joke on the topic...it is essentially one giant lootbox cave

rsfour · Apr 19, 2019

Dynamite Cop said:
I have a feeling most of the people coming in here to say "fuck this AAA shit" or "not buying now" feigning some sort of shock had no intention of buying this game in the first place.

I was going to buy it, then Ronda Rousey showed up. Now I won't. Rental for me

GFP_RYU said:
Wait, offline tied to a server? Does it mean this is similar to always online game?

Almost everything is tied to being connected online. Just not the story, tutorial, and versus. re: tutorial, you won't get currency if you're not online. I don't know if you get anything for doing versus matches.

So no krypt, no tower, etc. Have to be connected.

Garlador · Apr 19, 2019

GFP_RYU said:
Wait, offline tied to a server? Does it mean this is similar to always online game?

Unfortunately, yeah. At least according to these impressions.

Unlock gear? Tied to servers.
Save a character loudout? Tied to servers.
Doing the challenge towers? Tied to servers.
Krypt unlockables? Tied to servers.

I hope they can patch out that requirement.

Dphex said:
the Krypt is riddled with many boxes which contain icons for your variations and concept art.

Superfun to waste your hard earned Kombat Koins on! there are many chests which cost up tp 16000 Koins which have literally crap inside. and there are also "hearts" as a currency you can get when doing fatalities, these hearts are used in the Krypt for some special chests too. It is grindy as fuck.

There is also a Forge where you can forge items through recipes and mats, so welcome to crafting shit with limited resources in a fighting game.

besides that, as i already said in times of lootbox debates, the whole Krypt comes off as one giant meta joke on the topic...it is essentially one giant lootbox cave

This is one thing I do want to address...

The Krypt, as long as I've played it since Deadly Alliance, was ALWAYS riddled with, well... junk. Fluff. Discarded concept art, music, and weird stuff.

I mean, I remember hording up my koins because for every fatality I unlocked or alternate costume, 70% of the time it was just... random concept art.

Woot.

And there was no exploration or puzzles. It was just hundreds of coffins that you sequentially went around and picked at random to hope you got something worthwhile. Sometimes you did!... sometimes you didn't.

But that's the Krypt in a nutshell.

Strakt · Apr 19, 2019

Are there any unlockables just by playing online matches?

Deleted member 8468 · Apr 19, 2019

So uh. This isn't story mode related right? I'm only interested in story and online MP. I can understand how this might turn some people off depending on what you want out of the game.

Barry Sandwich · Apr 19, 2019

I don't mind grinding but it needs to respect the players time.

SFV you could pump hours into it for nothing, so at least this doesn't sound as bad as that.

criteriondog · Apr 19, 2019

Oh my god, really?
This reminds me of the Battlefront II situation.
Overly grindy and way too much time to invest to get what you want, or you can buy it with real money.

Dynamite Cop · Apr 19, 2019

rsfour said:
I was going to buy it, then Ronda Rousey showed up. Now I won't. Rental for me

Depending on how the port is, I was looking to get the PC version in hopes to mod her voice out. Sometimes bad screen actors can do a decent job with voice overs, but she's just garbage all-around.

Deleted member 16876 · Apr 19, 2019

My decision not to get the game based on them adding Ronda Rousey continues to pay off. Not getting it on sale or used after this.

Fuck this garbage.

Chamber · Apr 19, 2019

So is there no guaranteed way to unlock gear? I don't mind grinding but playing for hours just to unlock icons and concept art is not for me.

LiK · Apr 19, 2019

watch it be patched in 3...2..

Santar · Apr 19, 2019

Chamber said:
So is there no guaranteed way to unlock gear? I don't mind grinding but playing for hours just to unlock icons and concept art is not for me.

Well, you could, you know, pay for some premium currency :P

Corky · Apr 19, 2019

I'll just watch the story mode on youtube. Saved me a buy

Santar · Apr 19, 2019

LiK said:
watch it be patched in 3...2..

What they actually need to patch are those ridiculous online requirements.

Click · Apr 19, 2019

LiK said:
watch it be patched in 3...2..

Oh sweet summer child, gather round for a tale of brothers warner...

Acorn · Apr 19, 2019

They'll remove this shit once most of the sales have been made to get praise again.

LiK · Apr 19, 2019

Click said:
Oh sweet summer child, gather round for a tale of brothers warner...

LOL, i know, i know. trying to be optimistic since NRS has been way better with listening to feedback for their core game. Hopefully they'll do something about it.

squilliedee · Apr 19, 2019

But is the game fun???...

ScaleboundGOTY · Apr 19, 2019

Not a big deal to me. I dont care about playing dress up with my character like its a barbie. As long as the fighting part of the fighting game is good im good.

Grimmjow · Apr 19, 2019

This is lame as hell. Thankfully, I'm just gonna play training mode and online. I skipped the multiverse nonsense in Injustice 2 as well.

Kaiken · Apr 19, 2019

Was on the edge of preorder but come on man. I have to unlock fatalities?

hikarutilmitt · Apr 19, 2019

I'm wondering how much of this is to be "fixed" in a day one patch. I wouldn't put it past any publisher nowadays to make progression a pain in the ass without the day one patch just to at least try and put stops to some content leaks and the like on anyone with early copies.

Manu · Apr 19, 2019

Kaiken said:
Was on the edge of preorder but come on man. I have to unlock fatalities?

No. They work like in MK9 and X. You have one listed on the move list, you can do the other one as long as you know the input code even if it doesn't show up there.

Kaiken · Apr 19, 2019

Manu said:
No. They work like in MK9 and X. You have one listed on the move list, you can do the other one as long as you know the input code even if it doesn't show up there.

*whew*

Salty Rice · Apr 19, 2019

Santar said:
What they actually need to patch are those ridiculous online requirements.

Its to validate your unlocks and prevent filthy hackers.

Santar · Apr 19, 2019

hikarutilmitt said:
I'm wondering how much of this is to be "fixed" in a day one patch. I wouldn't put it past any publisher nowadays to make progression a pain in the ass without the day one patch just to at least try and put stops to some content leaks and the like on anyone with early copies.

The day 1 patch is already out.
Usually it's the other way around though, early on games don't have microtransactions to get better reviews and word of mouth and then they patch it in after a while.

Salty Rice said:
Its to validate your unlocks and prevent filthy hackers.

Yes and? I still hate the fact that it's there.

DrDeckard · Apr 19, 2019

Ffs! I paid them 70 pounds from the launch trailer. This is bollox

2shd · Apr 19, 2019

TheDarkKnight said:
This doesn't personally bother me. Now that gear is back to cosmetics only and they got rid of loot boxes my focus was always story mode and online. And based on previous WB/NRS games with lootboxes gone you knew it'd show up somewhere else.

I mean, of course if you had no interest in it, how they handle it isn't going to bother you.

Garlador said:
This is one thing I do want to address...

The Krypt, as long as I've played it since Deadly Alliance, was ALWAYS riddled with, well... junk. Fluff. Discarded concept art, music, and weird stuff.

I mean, I remember hording up my koins because for every fatality I unlocked or alternate costume, 70% of the time it was just... random concept art.

Woot.

And there was no exploration or puzzles. It was just hundreds of coffins that you sequentially went around and picked at random to hope you got something worthwhile. Sometimes you did!... sometimes you didn't.

But that's the Krypt in a nutshell.

True, but as soon as they add in-game currency as an alternative, it muddies the waters.

kaishek · Apr 19, 2019

ScaleboundGOTY said:
Not a big deal to me. I dont care about playing dress up with my character like its a barbie. As long as the fighting part of the fighting game is good im good.

"as long as half of the game works, ill be happy!"

how much does nether realms pay you

JigglesBunny · Apr 19, 2019

MKX already towed the line with the grindy shit and microtransactions, this is even more absurd. WB really are one of the worst publishers in the industry and not enough people are talking about it.

Hailinel · Apr 19, 2019

Garlador said:
Unfortunately, yeah. At least according to these impressions.

Unlock gear? Tied to servers.
Save a character loudout? Tied to servers.
Doing the challenge towers? Tied to servers.
Krypt unlockables? Tied to servers.

I hope they can patch out that requirement.

This is one thing I do want to address...

The Krypt, as long as I've played it since Deadly Alliance, was ALWAYS riddled with, well... junk. Fluff. Discarded concept art, music, and weird stuff.

I mean, I remember hording up my koins because for every fatality I unlocked or alternate costume, 70% of the time it was just... random concept art.

Woot.

And there was no exploration or puzzles. It was just hundreds of coffins that you sequentially went around and picked at random to hope you got something worthwhile. Sometimes you did!... sometimes you didn't.

But that's the Krypt in a nutshell.

Cooking With Scorpion saved the Krypt from being a total waste of time in Deadly Alliance.

Graven · Apr 19, 2019

kaishek said:
"as long as half of the game works, ill be happy!"

how much does nether realms pay you

He said it's not a big deal to him because his main focus with the game is the core fighting and not the collectathon, what's the problem? I too do not intent to stay in the Krypt or doing towers, i will do story, arcade runs and online.

People have the right to be upset, but, also to be unbothered if the good overshadows the bad to that person.

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