Aren't those replacements that require you to own a skin, though? I'd imagine Capcom wouldn't care if you have to buy skin #345345 in order to mod in something else.
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WB apparently taking down videos showcasing modded Multiversus content, may ban players using mods as well
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Modded F2P game that relies on skin sales to generate revenue to give me free skins
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If this was a Nintendo thread you won't be saying this.
You'll be running the old "Nintendo ninjas" meme.
As usual, its in their legal right, but it still sucks and probably has little to do with the actual dev team.
Nah you can swap what skin overrides what with a mod manager and yeah if Capcom cared enough they would go after the ones who monetize them. They try to loophole it by using Patreons. Capcom lightly went after some like a year ago I think and people who were selling fan merch but didn't go full Nintendo. If it was a F2P game they would likely stop it completely though.
It keeps the dev team employed if the monetization content is generating enough revenue to continue support on the F2P game. If people are just hacking it and putting their own content in and using that instead of paying for the skins that are generated, then that means it takes a hit to the revenue the game generates and if it's no longer financially viable, then it gets shut down.
No surprise at all, and when I first saw the mods come out I figured this would happen. The whole thing is about showcasing their IPs, they don't want you covering that up. The game is just as much as advertisement for it's properities as it is a product. Mods circumvent the whole reason the thing is greenlit.
Sorry but I have to agrees with the others, I'm not sure why you prefer to double down on this. The game needs to make money, unless of course you think gaming is somehow a charity. These are licensed characters in a free to play game.
.00001% of the fanbase on PC using a few mods doing an imagined and unprovable damage to a game that's likely going to be raking in untold millions.
Its not about any meaningful amount of revenue and rarely ever is. Even suggesting that its going to kill revenue and shut the game down in any sense is a joke. Banning people using them is going to cost them more money if anything.
Most likely comes down to some suits in a video conference who have to be told in the simplest way possible what a custom skin/mod even is and deciding it sounds like a potential loss of sale and saying to kill it as hard as possible.
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Yeah, the taking down videos is weirder, but the banning sadly makes sense
Should the developer and publisher take the risk of allowing it to run rampant which impacts the money being made on a F2P game though or should they rightfully protect their interests and try to curb it early before it gets out of control? It's a F2P game; this shouldn't surprise that they want to protect their revenue stream on a game that people can download for free.
Warner Bros took down the Rick James / Holy Diver mix someone uploaded very recently. I don'tt think that shit was gonna hurt Rick James or Dio's sales either. This is just kind of on par with WB. They're very protective of their shit.
Im not engaging with slippery slope arguments, especially when there is already precedent for it not being true.
We're being outraged at breaking TOS and doing something that no other current live service game would allow you to do from a major publisher? In their WB games TOS it literally states you aren't allowed to modify the game.
I'm all for modding your single player games and MP games that allow it.
I'm all for modding your single player games and MP games that allow it.
People modding in characters and skins will of course be a big issue for a f2p game that sells characters and skins. The games awesome and deserves its success. If the devs don't want its players doing this they have every right to ban or prevent them from doing so.
You said this was likely to have little to do with the developer but you can't see how the developer's interest align with the move? They have a vested interest to protect the monetization of the game.
Yes, that much is known. Banning people isn't going to be a net profit, even if their playbook says so.
Well according to you, it's just .00001% of the fanbase so I'm sure they're not losing much over it nor from the impact of the act changing how people react to it.
Mods are locally installed and only you can see the modded content. There's no way they'll be able to detect people who are modding, especially texture swaps. Unless you're streaming or uploading your video, that is.
The obscurity argument really isn't a good one. Not just because stuff like that can get democratized pretty rapidly, but "it's only a few people ff'ing over the dev team and not paying anything" is also not a morally sound one.
People here have always argued that mods and emulation hurt developers all the time, and that "its their legal right" and its not much different here. People always go to bat for the big companies, and in this case its fucking WB of all things. I don't for a second believe its about morality. The games director isn't even for this one.
For "normal" games, I can't think of any argument. Mod away. But this is F2P. WB isn't interested what you think about them, they're looking at the bottom line while managing the team that made the game. It's not "going to bat for big companies". I personally don't give a rats ass about WB but it is a fact they have targets to keep this thing and the team that made it afloat.
I understand it's free to play and they have to protect their revenue streams but the modded content can only be seen locally, unless someone uploads a video of the mod itself online so others can view it.
In this instance modding may actually persuade more people to play the game and get them into the ecosystem long term, which is a good thing for revenue.
If the mods could be seen by other players online then I could understand them wanting to ban them as it would discourage players from grinding or paying for cosmetics but that isn't the case as far as I am aware so I don't see how it impacts them financially.
Lol nope. If you install a skin, even if you're the only one seeing it, why would you buy a skin ? That's not rocket science, i perfectly understand why they are doing this.
Because professionally made skins are higher quality and not retrofitted.....
Because they're fans of the game...
Because owning a skin means more than just you can see it...
The devs of this game literally have no problem with it (just like most other fighting games featuring skins). Its purely publisher meddling, and like usual its often their biggest fans they're doing it to.
Yeah and as a F2P game, it makes sense that the publisher is not happy with that.
They probably will have a problem when the game does not generate enough revenue due to pirated content and publisher disbands the team (or stops the financing)
When WB downsizes the team because of the revenue dip, I'm sure they'll start having a problem then, but by that point, it'll be too late.
edit: damn, beaten by the Sun :D
From what we've seen so far, it seems you're only at risk if you stream/make videos of modded gameplay. Which is somewhat surprising when there's tons of footage of unreleased Rick gameplay still floating around on YouTube with hundreds upon thousands of views.
So it sounds like WB is trying to limit visibility of any mods out there and wants people to buy the skins. It shouldn't affect any regular players as it would largely be undetectable, hopefully.
We'll see how it plays out.
But also I can't believe that people are thinking mods are shitty to the team when the director of the game says that he's largely okay with it. Especially when mods would only be accessible by one platform out of the multiple systems it's available on.
There's some great modding work out there and done by the community, but normally official skins look better and properly confine to the game's artstyle.
There's no denying that mods do draw people in who might have not been interested before.
So it sounds like WB is trying to limit visibility of any mods out there and wants people to buy the skins. It shouldn't affect any regular players as it would largely be undetectable, hopefully.
We'll see how it plays out.
But also I can't believe that people are thinking mods are shitty to the team when the director of the game says that he's largely okay with it. Especially when mods would only be accessible by one platform out of the multiple systems it's available on.
It's the same thing with Multiversus, if you want an extra costume slot, you're going to have to pay money to get it. Hell, there's some mods only for the paid skin slots in order to tell people to support the game. Like adding a cell shader to the TAS skin for Batman or whatever.
I might be an exception, but I mod my fighting games and still regularly buy skins for characters that I play as.
There's some great modding work out there and done by the community, but normally official skins look better and properly confine to the game's artstyle.
There's no denying that mods do draw people in who might have not been interested before.
That's not the point. Everyone can guess the thought process, but it still sucks and the world is no better for celebrating capitalistic legal flexing. People have been making custom skins for League of fucking Legends for how many years now, not to mention other f2p platform fighters like Brawlhalla (which is huge).
Im automatically going to assume you're batting for WB and not the devs since the reason behind it isn't revelatory, and the only reason to keep bringing that up is if you think its a good one.
Fuck these whataboutism's and slippery slope arguments in favor of one of the most notoriously capitalistic and cold blooded corporations. Now you're putting words in the dev's mouths too? nah, im out.
You still have to pay for those additional costume slots to be able to override them, so the publishers still get their money in the end.
As someone that is installing a ton of mods on PC, i still buy skins too, so i perfectly understand ! But i was just saying that i understand why they're going against this.
The only thing that i'm saying is that i understand why a F2P game is not okay with letting people making skins on their own. And i don't really care about what you're assuming regarding my stance on this, to be honest. Have a nice day.
Because the characters that you buy in the game aren't just skins, they also have unique move sets and attributes that you wouldn't be able to obtain via modding.
Also, the entire free to play business model is successful based on people buying skins so other players can see them, that's the hook, people like to "show off" what they have purchased/unlocked.
We have to agree to disagree on this, I understand companies trying to protect their bottom line but I also understand how fundamentally important it is that modding exists and how it can be used to actually increase revenue streams and bring more people into the ecosystem of your game.
Also, when you sign an agreement to get to put licenced content in your game, it comes with several hundred pages of rules about how that character looks and is depicted that you have to adhere to as strictly as possible. Some of them are very odd, like lego characters only being allowed to have one item sticking into them at a time, some of them are more obvious.
Regardless of the money part, they have signed an agreement that their game will not produce media of, say, superman with a big flopping weiner, and when someone mods that in and the video spreads across twitter, you're in for a world of hurt.
Regardless of the money part, they have signed an agreement that their game will not produce media of, say, superman with a big flopping weiner, and when someone mods that in and the video spreads across twitter, you're in for a world of hurt.
The mega-hit game that's available on most platforms will not generate enough revenue because only a small percentage of PC users who wouldn't pay for skins anyway are modding their client.
Alright.
Yeah, that's also an interesting angle to look at it as well. WB can't control how their characters are represented if fan content runs amok, so they want to also keep a lid on it.
There's a lot of understandable reasons as to why WB is adamant about keeping this under wraps. Still sucks for players that want to say, just swap Finn's sword, if they eventually toss around bans/restrictions around mods.
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Surprised to see so many people just shrug this off. I'm able to mod SF5 to my heart's content and I figure they still do well on microtransactions. We can only hope that WB can give us things like buff Wonder Woman in a timely fashion.
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I'm not giving them one single fucking cent if they start banning mods. The skins i'm installing will never exist in the main game.
for people coming up with terrible "its F2P" arguments, so is Brawlhalla, one of the biggest platform fighters out there. They don't ban mods.
Many of the mods for Multiversus require you to own a skin as well.
Brawlhalla's roster also isn't solely made up of heavily licensed characters that carry a lot of restrictions, too.