I'm happy that is the case. If this forum hated V for Vendetta I'd lose all faith in this place.
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Watchmen vs. V for Vendetta...which film adaptation failed the worst?
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Despite Snyder's slavish devotion to the image of the comic, he fundamentally doesn't understand anything about it so, yeah, Watchmen is infinitely worse as both a film and a faithful adaptation.
V for Vendetta is certainly a different beast from the book but all of its deviations from the source material aren't from stupidity or ignorance, they are done to mold the story into a new context. Now whether one likes that change is up to them but it is still a pretty good flick on its own merits.
V for Vendetta is certainly a different beast from the book but all of its deviations from the source material aren't from stupidity or ignorance, they are done to mold the story into a new context. Now whether one likes that change is up to them but it is still a pretty good flick on its own merits.
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There's are years worth of reviews and essays on why V for Vendetta and the Watchmen are classic, genre defining works. My argument isn't that their movie adaptations fail as movies, rather that they fail at capturing the spirit of the source material.
Then you have to tell us what you believe the central premise of the books are. How the movie reinterprets it and fails, we cannot read your mind.
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Except I never said V for Vendetta wasn't a good movie. Nice try though!
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I said it on the OP. Watchmen removes superficial elements like the space squid, along with its humanist reaffirmation in its third act, while V for Vendetta entirely removes the Anarchist politics from its main character.
You are arguing that the squid is one of the original motivations of the work? That is so odd to latch into as what defines the whole book, but OK.
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No, I said it is one of the things that made the film an unfaithful adaptation. Thanks for ignoring the other things I said, though.
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Just to clarify; I honestly don't think either of these are "bad movies", I was simply curious to hear which movie Resetera thinks is most true to its source material.
Someone doesn't except the truth smh
It's a meme started by the current venom author as a joke
Obviously Watchmen, specially if you have that Super duper cut with the tales of the black freighter , deleted scenes restored and shit....
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I'll admit, I have never seen this version of the Watchmen movie. Is it worth the watch?
I think both movies were fun entertainment flicks that did a poor job reflecting comic series that aimed a little higher than that.
For the novelty, Gerard Butler voices the captain and actually does a great job. The movie has a restored deleted scene in which they assault and kill Hollis Mason and it's actually really good (and sad) . I will never stop asking why Snyder decided to cut that scene in order to have one with lots of owl sex.
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Huh, I didn't realize Gerard Butler was involved...I might have to check that out.
Watchmen's filth has aged better than V's cartoonish Bushian evil, and it looks better, so I'll give it to that. Liked both moderately well, but something about V's tone has always been off for me. It's... sparse. Nothing about it ever really feels earned to me. And while I'm talking about aging well, woo boy that mask is something completely different nowadays.
careful with that edge...you might cut yourself with it.
I adore the V movie but anyone saying that it is better than the original comic either never reads it before or just plain trolling or just have bad taste.
I was more impressed with Watchmen because the source material is pretty bloated, so seeing the decisions made of what parts they wanted to skim down in the story to see what could translate to cinema was neat. I've tried watching V for Vendetta twice and both times it put me to sleep somewhere in the middle. I don't know why, as I prefer V's graphic novel over Watchmen.
Probably because V was a completely different interpretation going from Moore anarchy leanings to like someone said a watered down vaguely leftist leaning but really a general fight the power against British Hitler
V For Vendetta probably missed the mark, adaptation-wise, the most but it made a better movie than Watchmen. I read V after seeing the film and enjoyed them both, whereas I read Watchmen before the film and remember feeling a little let down. I'm not sure if that has coloured my opinion, though.
Watchmen. It failed to live up to the critiques of "great men" image/ideology that Moore filled the comic with, which was a response to the characters Ditko (a known Randian dipshit) created, which the Watchmen characters came from. It's not surprising that the film would miss this entirely though, as it was given to a different Randian dipshit, Zack Snyder; who empathized and framed certain characters morality, like Rorschach, completely off base.
V for Vendetta is a clumsy bludgeoning of the source material.
Watchmen is a clumsy mishandling of the source material.
So I guess V for Vendetta was worse? I understand that that's not a popular opinion but man that movie rubs me up the wrong way every 10 or so minutes. Yuck.
Watchmen is a clumsy mishandling of the source material.
So I guess V for Vendetta was worse? I understand that that's not a popular opinion but man that movie rubs me up the wrong way every 10 or so minutes. Yuck.
As I've just finished a reread of V for Vendetta(30th anniversary edition, it's lovely btw) then my opinion does sit closely to Moores in that just making V a superhero fundamentally misses the point of the story by a wide margin.
However the movie is a decent film and as David Lloyd agrees does a great job of bringing to life his artwork and certain sequences from the book.
I love the book and enjoy the movie.
Watchmen though misses the point totally and to work as a movie it should be using the last 10-20yrs of comic book movies as its starting point to deconstruct as the book did to comics.
Love the hot takes on page 1 of this thread. Just hilarious.
However the movie is a decent film and as David Lloyd agrees does a great job of bringing to life his artwork and certain sequences from the book.
I love the book and enjoy the movie.
Watchmen though misses the point totally and to work as a movie it should be using the last 10-20yrs of comic book movies as its starting point to deconstruct as the book did to comics.
Love the hot takes on page 1 of this thread. Just hilarious.
I like both films.
I saw Watchman with 7 people who hadn't read the comics & they all came out of it saying they'd seen a really effective alt-80s thriller that threw costume fetishes into the mix. Watchmen gets more shit than it deserves because of Snyder IMO, which is no surprise on here.
V betrays Its source at every single pass, and for me it's still a very enjoyable movie because I always find the film shows up the paucity of depth in comics as a medium.
Moore did his best work in 2000AD. Halo Jones & Ace Trucking are both better series than either V or Watchmen.
I saw Watchman with 7 people who hadn't read the comics & they all came out of it saying they'd seen a really effective alt-80s thriller that threw costume fetishes into the mix. Watchmen gets more shit than it deserves because of Snyder IMO, which is no surprise on here.
V betrays Its source at every single pass, and for me it's still a very enjoyable movie because I always find the film shows up the paucity of depth in comics as a medium.
Moore did his best work in 2000AD. Halo Jones & Ace Trucking are both better series than either V or Watchmen.
No I think Watchmen did just fine. The ending has a bunch of street level superheroes too impotent to change the world while Ozymandias frames big blue Dr. Manhattan for wiping out the major cities.
The only way impotent humanity can live with itself is if they have a giant space monster to team up against. This isn't just true for comic book movies, but for more established fantasy genres in film as well.
Seeing how current superhero movies rely on building to SURPRISE giant space monsters I'd say Watchmen in both forms is correct.
The only way impotent humanity can live with itself is if they have a giant space monster to team up against. This isn't just true for comic book movies, but for more established fantasy genres in film as well.
Seeing how current superhero movies rely on building to SURPRISE giant space monsters I'd say Watchmen in both forms is correct.
I feel that Watchmen had the same points there, but they just weren't highlighted or focused on. There are scenes in the movie that kind of undermine that points of the book, but the general message of the book isn't completely lost in the movie adaptation.
V For Vendetta felt like it watered down the original meaning of the book.
V For Vendetta felt like it watered down the original meaning of the book.
V For Vendetta made me more happy to see a movie shit on its source material than anything since Starship Troopers.
From Hell makes me think "Hey, maybe Zack Snyder movies aren't so bad.". Basically, it causes brain damage.
From Hell makes me think "Hey, maybe Zack Snyder movies aren't so bad.". Basically, it causes brain damage.
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