Ok, so I wasn't crazy... Young Angela was played by the same actress as Darla in Shazam. Faithe Herman, she's so good.
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Watchmen |OT| This is the Moment
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Enough with the histrionics. I'm well aware that y'all love Mr. Robot.
Esmail's squad does good work.
Alright, enough of you.
BACK ON TOPIC
I'm with a few of y'all on the Manhattan reveal. It does seem strange for him to come back and mingle with the peasants again but I'm hoping they've got a good solve for that. They don't have a ton of time to flesh out his character.
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The more I think about it the less I like the Manhattan reveal, he had become so detached from humanity there was almost nothing left of the original man he was. He was quite literally a God. Why he would go back to Earth and find love again. I'm having quite the problem believing he was capable of it or would care about any of them. How they might appeal to such a being was a question I wanted to see happen, and now we find out love solves all. It comes off hollow to me.
i dont know if its love or his idea of what love is. its dr. manhattan, so i dont doubt there's some level of detachment from everything we know as the concept of love and probably veers onto a curiosity that he enjoys viewing and the Kal personality with the "amnesia" was a way for him to be able to experience on what he can call a "human" level.
Histrionics? I made clear I haven't even seen the last 2.5 seasons, I have no love beyond meaning to watch it later. I just see you being weirdly aggressive in your posts.
He wasn't totally detached by the end of the book though. Laurie convinced him humanity was worth saving and he came to view life as a miracle.
The only way I can believe he'd do it is if it was part of an experiment for him.
He almost didn't and unlikely any other could have convinced him. At the end he was pretty much finished with people and the things they do.
In the first episode while Angela is in school, there is a picture of Redford hanging there
I know her from This is Us. I did see Shazam! but I didn't remember she was in it.
i fully expect we'll get the John answer next week. His intervention in the Vietnam war will also play a part in it too. Whether it's guilt or whatever he views as being his kind of guilt that brought him back to Vietnam to experience what he had wrought on that country and he just so happens to meet Angela and see's beyond her present and future, but glimpses into a past he finds fascinating. everything John does is with a degree of detachment that viewer/reader will find uncomfortable and unsatisfying, but that's the kind of character he is.
Agreed. I know it's based on the comic though, which was a bit different.
Maybe. I suppose we'll see depending on the reason they give for this.
It doesn't seem strange to me even without specifics. I've never read Manhattan as nearly as aloof and detached as he likes to portray or as others portray him as. He's godlike, but he's also still human. He gets his omniscience and starts chasing around a younger woman. He was fine with going and winning a war for America. Sure when shit hits the fan he fucks off to Mars, but that's kind of human too. Scurrying back seems within his character to me.
He's also still kind of fascinated with life in any case, and with the miracle of people after generations and generations making someone specific. I could see him wanting to live as an actual human again.
That's not true at all. His last exchange in the book is him saying he has regained interest in life and will probably go and create some. His arc in the book is about him regaining his connection to life despite being 'above' it, not abandoning it.
Yeah I think people forget this. He's super detached during the middle part, but his ending isn't that. I mean, he still goes away, but there's more interest in life behind that.
Didn't hbo get bought by or merge with time Warner/Warner bros (which own DC) in the 80s? I'm pretty sure they could have done a watchmen show anytime, but lindelof had a good idea for a sequel/remix in recent years.
This show doesn't really strike me as a crass exploitation of an ip license. I suppose it's possible Dr Manhattan's inclusion was just shoehorned into the show cause they own the character and can, but idk. I don't think so.
Totally forgot about that. I got to give the GN another read. I lost my physical in a move, so I'll grab the digital edition.
One weird thing: The splicing during Angela's parents' death of the Vietnamese men and the white men in Tulsa was weird. Were they implying a similarity there?
hard to think much about those in a world that was changed so much by Manhattan. All of the public would be into that stuff.
also, it seemed like she knew nothing about anything but then all of a sudden she did and went back to hammer Cal.
I think it was just paralleling the defining, traumatic experiences of both Angela and Will's lives. And there is at least some similarity, as both involved violent, radical extremists.
True but the Vietnamese were being colonized. Still feels like the wrong comparison.
I really like that they've managed to turn one of the white characters in the original comic in to black man pretending to be white, and one of the black characters in the show in to a white man pretending to be black. (Even though I totally understand the concerns about white saviour - we'll see how it pans out). I feel like someone smarter than me will draw parallels between this and Rorschach's whole gimmick of seeing things in black and white rather than shades of grey, but I can't quite put it together myself.
From the POV of children it's the same. One memory leads to another. I don't think the show was making any political links just ones from the characters POV. Fits with angela's black and white world view too. Remember how she wanted to hear the guy get killed.
The split started when she was watching the puppet player have Manhattan kill the Vietnamese soldiers. I thought it suggested a link between the imperial violence of the Vietnam war with the white supremacist violence against the black people of Tulsa. Lady Trieu's character makes me think the writers are well aware of the suffering of the Vietnamese at the hands of America.
Oh holy fucking shit. Someone mentioned this blacksploitation movie on reddit. Fucking incredible.
Good thing I only view these threads they day after each episode airs. This and the excalibur hint would've spoiled it for me.
Dr Manhattan is bad at explaining things to his girlfriends as usual. He's not dying. The way he was created ensures this is impossible now. But that doesn't mean 7th Cal can't succeed in making their own super nazi. If they do I'll be surprised because this show feels like a mid budget project. Everything has been lean on special effects and honestly even if they had the budget it would be very weird if this show started leaning more toward CGI action. I am very curious how they will handle this if they do have the balls to make a super nazi.*
*We all should know that overtime the super nazi will still become disinterested but that's a long ways off after some damage would be done.
so there are using elephant as nostalgia hard drive ? because of the expression elephant's memory ?
I think it might be something along the lines of Angela being unwilling to let go of her memories and hurt, unable to accept Trieu's mind-wiping plan for the greater good. Because it will be Manhattan who'll be sacrificed to achieve it. Although maybe it'll be Laurie or even Looking Glass who has that Rorschach role.
Partially, but the historical Lady Trieu was heavily associated with elephants:
The best part is the 7K's whole master plan...and how oblivious they are to who they're trying to become.
Ok now I'm beginning to understand this show likes to make references to relatively modern mytholigies. Anything made in the 20th century might get referenced.
That's what I'm expecting, the way it was presented the comics always felt like a one-in-a-billion this could never happen again event.
I think both are likely (although I'm uncertain how literally she is Veidt's "daughter"), but I'm not sure what LG's ultimate goal is at this point.
I would be upset if we get the ending to Snyder's movie for this show.
Beautiful cover. Reznor is killing it. Must've been emotionally draining.
Beautiful cover. Reznor is killing it. Must've been emotionally draining.
I would almost be disappointed if this didn't happen. I want to see his racist ass die in the most ridiculous way possible.
Not by blood, perhaps, but I could see Trieu consider Veidt as her father.
and yeah, I think wouldn't be surprised if LG evolved into a modern day *real* Rorschach. Not what the fuckin racists turned his mask into.
I'm half expecting some sort of parody for the Viedt stuff.
Also, almost forgot till I saw your post.
https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/07/memo-sister-night.pdf
https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/07/calvin-medical-chart.pdf
Keene might be successful, but he probably won't know how to put himself back, and we may forever be haunted by his circulatory system floating around in various spots.
Jon didn't have any like particular goals in mind because he became Doctor Manhattan and besides that he lost his connection with his with humanity slowly over time that's why he began to wear progressively less clothing
When I heard the line from Keene, "Its hard to be a white man these days", I got a fucking huge grin because you know there are motherfuckers who think that. Man the balls to make your villain practically an alt-right incel.