The Trial felt like the weakest part of the episode, and it was the thing I was looking forward to the most, haha!
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Watchmen |OT| This is the Moment
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My first assumption was that it was like a projector thing, which I assumed she'd want to stop, lol.
Wait, the way Cal was turned back into Dr. Manhattan, doesn't that tie in to the joke Laurie told in the phonecall to him?
Indeed, that was the first thing I thought of. Unsure if she had any knowledge of it. It's super wierd that she would tell such an odd joke without it, but she also didn't seem to act like she didn't think he was actually on Mars still.
Crudup in general was fantastic. Manhattan, the Comedian and Rorschach were spot on for the film.
This show remains awesome. I loved that Dr. Manhattan twist. I guessed he was Cal the second it was revealed he's been posing as a human.
A hot man with a rare form of amnesia? The shoe fits!
Granted, the foreshadowing in the last part of the episode was intended to be obvious, I'm sure.
A hot man with a rare form of amnesia? The shoe fits!
Granted, the foreshadowing in the last part of the episode was intended to be obvious, I'm sure.
For sure.
Movie Manhattan was absolute perfection in every way, I don't expect the show to even come close to it. In the preview it was already clear he doesn't glow or have any of the cool VFX he did in the movie.
Well in the preview he would be hiding his glow right?
He was definitely glowing in the reflection in Angela's eyes at the end of this ep.
Uhm, should we have been aware of that whole "amnesia" thing of Abar's husband prior to them mentioning it?
Because the upcoming 'reveal' at the end of the episode was immediately apparent once Trieau said that Manhattan is in Tulsa, disguised as a regular human...
Because the upcoming 'reveal' at the end of the episode was immediately apparent once Trieau said that Manhattan is in Tulsa, disguised as a regular human...
Realizing the Cal = Manhattan theories might be correct:
The sudden realization that Angela knew Cal was Manhattan all along:
...I think I was literally doing that head motion by the final shot of the episode, good lord. A twist within a twist.
All the Angela and Laurie scenes take on a whole new subtext with Angela knowing who Cal was all along. Good lord. Let alone the scenes with Angela and Will talking about Manhattan, Cal meeting Laurie...
I'm amused that I first got on board with Cal = Manhattan train was because a) Laurie found him attractive, b) Yahya Abdul-Mateen is a god in human form. Seemed legit to me.
The rest of the episode was fantastic, and so much to process. Trieu and her daughter, Trieu's motivations (don't believe she's working to save Manhattan), Angela's backstory, Angela meeting her grandmother (not sure if June's death was just Really Bad Timing or Manhattan had something to do with it so he could one day meet Angela - timey wimey something something), the incredible court room scene with Veidt (instead of kangaroo court = piglet court), etc. You better have some plans to help save the day, Looking Glass! I have to admit I found the trap door scene with Laurie so unexpectedly funny that I can understand why she wouldn't have reacted quick enough - I doubt she believed what was happening, either. I loved the back and forth between Laurie and Jane, too.
This fucking show. The biggest quality surprise I've had in years. The show's rewatch value is immense already, I can't wait to see what else had already been foreshadowed after the finale.
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oh my goddddd
The sudden realization that Angela knew Cal was Manhattan all along:
...I think I was literally doing that head motion by the final shot of the episode, good lord. A twist within a twist.
All the Angela and Laurie scenes take on a whole new subtext with Angela knowing who Cal was all along. Good lord. Let alone the scenes with Angela and Will talking about Manhattan, Cal meeting Laurie...
I'm amused that I first got on board with Cal = Manhattan train was because a) Laurie found him attractive, b) Yahya Abdul-Mateen is a god in human form. Seemed legit to me.
The rest of the episode was fantastic, and so much to process. Trieu and her daughter, Trieu's motivations (don't believe she's working to save Manhattan), Angela's backstory, Angela meeting her grandmother (not sure if June's death was just Really Bad Timing or Manhattan had something to do with it so he could one day meet Angela - timey wimey something something), the incredible court room scene with Veidt (instead of kangaroo court = piglet court), etc. You better have some plans to help save the day, Looking Glass! I have to admit I found the trap door scene with Laurie so unexpectedly funny that I can understand why she wouldn't have reacted quick enough - I doubt she believed what was happening, either. I loved the back and forth between Laurie and Jane, too.
This fucking show. The biggest quality surprise I've had in years. The show's rewatch value is immense already, I can't wait to see what else had already been foreshadowed after the finale.
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Oh holy fucking shit. Someone mentioned this blacksploitation movie on reddit. Fucking incredible.
oh my goddddd
That, and her theory regarding the conspiracy. That was one of many really, really stupid scenes.
I was just re-watching the Dr. M origin from the movie, its so funny how unfeeling he is about everything and doesn't even notice the passage of time... except for when it comes to women's looks. "Janey says im chasing jailbait, that its because shes getting older. she's right, shes aging more noticeably every day"
Might also be why he never talked to Laurie and fell for Angela, lol
Might also be why he never talked to Laurie and fell for Angela, lol
Are we going to address the elephant in the room? As in, why the fuck was there an elephant in that room?
An elephant never forgets. A good place to offload excess memories.
Even better. The oppressor is now seeking for atonement. Enough good deeds will wash my sins away type of concept. I don't know just a thought.
I never thought we'd actually see Dr Manhattan but that's because I'm so set on just remembering the movie and sometimes forget it's based on the books so he doesn't even have to look like the movie version. I wonder if he'll showcase even a lil power.
I hope they stick the landing with this twist, because on the face of it it seems like such a clumsy way of working Dr. Manhattan into the story.
I thought they had neatly carved out a corner of the Watchmen universe to explore. Angela Abar had enough going on without being married to a physical manistation of a god.
There's no way it gets less ridiculous from here.
I thought they had neatly carved out a corner of the Watchmen universe to explore. Angela Abar had enough going on without being married to a physical manistation of a god.
There's no way it gets less ridiculous from here.
I've been thinking it was done in a matter similar to Black Freighter, a story within a story. Hell, some parts of his imprisonment reminds me so much of that part in Watchmen.
Also, if every episode sums up every year of Veidt's life, that probably means that we would start to see him intersect by the next episode.
If my assumption is correct, and that was his 7th year in captivity after disappearing in 2012, by the 8th episode is Veidt in 2019 or how he finally enters the picture in present time.
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So if whatever fell at the farm wasn't Cal like most people suspected, what was it?
Also, where does Lube Man slip into all of this?
Also, where does Lube Man slip into all of this?
it's the stupidest twist imaginable so of course it had to be true
Maybe I'm an idiot but this dildo theory lol. Did people really believe that Cal was Dr M because the dildo was called Excalibur? There were hints for sure like I was always guessing how Angela survived the White Night when a 7th Kavalry member had her in his sights. Always assumed Judd had something to do with it since he also survived.
During Veidt's trial they mentioned it was the 365th day of the trial, so the Veidt scenes are not taking place in the same timeline as the rest of the show. My guess is that his sentence from the trial is to be encased in gold and sent to Earth. That's what fell at the farm and Lady Trieu now has him in the clock tower. I'm also guessing he is her father as she told Angela her father isn't there, but will be soon.
It is odd Dr M has been masquerading as a black man, but i also don't know how much of it was his choosing over Angela's. The flashback should be interesting.
Not sure what to think of Cal being Dr. Manhattan. My immediate thought, and fear, when Trieu said Jon was on Earth living as a human was that it was actually Angela who was Dr. Manhattan in disguise, which wouldn't have made any sense lol but worse than that would've really ruined such a great character. Thankfully that wasn't the case, but having her married to Dr. Manhattan I feel elevates into her being a bigger central part of the familiar Watchmen mythos than the relatively more everywoman character she has been until now.
Also, for as much as race is such a fundamental part of this story and for how unique this show has been in tackling white supremacy and real-life history like the Tulsa/Black Wall Street massacre -- an event that actual history classes fail to address let alone other TV shows -- predicating one of your biggest twists on a (formerly) white man live in disguise as a black man just seems...off.
The show has been killing it otherwise so I'll give Lindelof, et al. the benefit of the doubt here and see where they go with this.
Also, for as much as race is such a fundamental part of this story and for how unique this show has been in tackling white supremacy and real-life history like the Tulsa/Black Wall Street massacre -- an event that actual history classes fail to address let alone other TV shows -- predicating one of your biggest twists on a (formerly) white man live in disguise as a black man just seems...off.
The show has been killing it otherwise so I'll give Lindelof, et al. the benefit of the doubt here and see where they go with this.
Right, on the Veidt timeline of the show, every episode happens a year after the last one. So, assuming Veidt's inevitable crossing over with the main story happens in Angela's present day, that would mean every one of his scenes so far is happening years before the rest of the show.
Get Out is about
Old white people implanting their consciousness into young black people to avoid dying of old age. It's made extra horrifying because the black people are still conscious in their bodies, they just have no control.
Was Cal a real person who died or is he entirely fake?
Here's the medical report from this "accident". The last line is pretty funny.
I fell asleep last night at the elephant. Woke up and finished the rest. My God, there is a lot to unpack.
Cal doesn't know he's Dr. Manhattan though. As far as he knows, he's just a run-of-the-mill atheist lol
Oh I see. I really should have watched Get Out before clicking in that though...
My guess is something leaked from production. You have hundreds if not thousands of people with hands in this show. One early Reddit post (like ep 2) about Cal was so tenuous that it seemed as if the person was reaching for anything to seem credible. I'm all for internet sleuthing and I think people do some amazing work, but we also know for a fact that people are also in the loop and like to look internet smart.
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Nah, he was probably always Manhattan. In the White Night they shot him in the face so he kinda forgot.
Previous employer (possibly faked) was Pyramid Global Construction, once owned by Veidt, now owned by Lady Trieu.
The equivalent from the GN was a work of fiction that never directly tied in to the plot. It is there for thematic reasons, and to show a character's fate after the comic ended.