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Watchmen |OT| This is the Moment
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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Third rewatch, and hot damn, Angela suting up to go kick ass as Sister Night and Looking Glass pod interrogation scenes are just awesome. Can't stop fawning over the soundtrack.
lmao wut i know how you feel but yeah you need to brush up on it.
Maybe watch the last episode of the motion comic lol
Damn I think you hit the nail on the head with all of this.
yup, indeed
Also, the alt right morons are already review bombing this online, predictable
I...have actually never heard of the Tulsa Riots we got taught a wide range of American history during my Modern History classes here in Australia but if it WAS brought up it was brief and It certainly wasn't for any long length of time, definitely has made me go on a long search history about the event.
Good start but I'm not sure yet. I also liked how American Gods started and that turned out to be a dud.
HBO and Showtime clearly don't have the budget for 4K TV shows!
My read was that the two servants are androids or something. In a world where he managed to make rudimentary teleportation in 1985 it's not too farfetched that he'd have robotic AI 35 years later, even if he didn't necessarily share it with the world at large.
Most people know him froom the movie, It's to be expected when you have an objectivist director. He's going to make the Objectivist protagonist a noble hero.
Squid is in the comic. Movie retconned the squid, here they brought it back.
yup, i saw the movie not too long ago, thats messing up my recollection of the comics. gotta read it again
This was way better than the Westworld pilot tbh. Shows more promise and the addition of Black People is always welcome.
Well that wasn't weird at all! Quick thoughts:
-It wasn't pretty. It doesn't have to be, but for a flagship HBO show I thought it would look outstanding. While we're at it the soundtrack is cool, but they blew the big moment when music was really ramping up during the interrogation. Blood mixing with water for a big crescendo... sweet?
-Regina King's performance lifted the episode I thought. When she's reacting to the police chief getting out of that flying copter thing she really sells it an that makes the scene so much better. Everyone else so far is kinda forgettable, the writing is whatever, but she's legit.
-The world building is really good. I'm a sucker for dropping the viewer/reader into a strange world that becomes familiar bit by bit and so I'm into this part of the show the most so far. Is there going to be a non comic related thread? I could do without the play by play comparison.
Good enough that I'll be tuning in next week, but the pilot is not a standout in writing and directing. Cautiously optimistic?
-It wasn't pretty. It doesn't have to be, but for a flagship HBO show I thought it would look outstanding. While we're at it the soundtrack is cool, but they blew the big moment when music was really ramping up during the interrogation. Blood mixing with water for a big crescendo... sweet?
-Regina King's performance lifted the episode I thought. When she's reacting to the police chief getting out of that flying copter thing she really sells it an that makes the scene so much better. Everyone else so far is kinda forgettable, the writing is whatever, but she's legit.
-The world building is really good. I'm a sucker for dropping the viewer/reader into a strange world that becomes familiar bit by bit and so I'm into this part of the show the most so far. Is there going to be a non comic related thread? I could do without the play by play comparison.
Good enough that I'll be tuning in next week, but the pilot is not a standout in writing and directing. Cautiously optimistic?
Fucking amazing first episode, holyshit. I can't wait for next Sunday. That preview! Wonder when Dr. Manhattan will show up
My take on Veidt's servants was his attempt at creating human life (like he did with the cat and the squids) but their naivety and struggling at simple tasks shows he hasn't perfected it yet.
That's kind of my theory as well. Something was way off about them.
I don't know what to make of this. The politics of the show feels all over the place at times, it clearly has a liberal bent to it but then parts feel like All Lives Matter. I guess that's a good thing in that they're depicting a fairly complex world.
Did the rorsach cult ever actually say anything particularly racist? I'm wondering if it's just propoganda against them. I don't recall rorsach being particularly racist in a way that would inspire a white supremacist cult
Just feel like it's gotta be a red herring for what they're really up to
Just feel like it's gotta be a red herring for what they're really up to
While it was certainly a pretty decent start, I'm not 100% sold just yet. I may have just been sullied by the Zack Snyder movie's overly stylized vision, but man does this show look plain most of the time. It's hard to believe that this is a universe where
I guess a part of that may just be the Oklahoma setting, but I'm hoping there's a bit more visual excess in the upcoming episodes. I'm not asking for Zack Snyder speed ramping or anything, but even a more Dave Gibbons color palette would go a long way.
Story wise, it was pretty engaging and moved quickly. Music was great too.
Dr. Manhattan re-materialized as a partially muscled skeleton, Ozymandias caught a bullet in his bare hands, and a giant squid crushed New York.
Story wise, it was pretty engaging and moved quickly. Music was great too.
"black filth" was part of their speech
And the racist propaganda poster Regina's character sees in the hideout
They're all white and in their manifesto video they called out "race traitors".
Good point lol. I was binging a lot of tv today and this was the last thing before I head to bed, guess I'm gonna need to rewatch it, geez.
Pretty sure the silent movie from the beginning was foreshadowing the present day police chief / sheriff isn't who he appeared to be. The closeup of his family picture while he gets dressed makes me believe that his father had a big part in the Tulsa Bombing at the beginning of the episode, and he is also a secret white nationalist that is advancing their beliefs & causes on the down low
My gif-dar is pinging off the charts and there's nothing I can do
This would've been the perfect spot for a gif from The Hunt
Some of you are being incredibly kind in your vision of Rorschach in 2019. It's not like he'd be the same guy he was in 1985, transported to today. He'd more likely be a racist, soup-brained conservative that sees the Kavalry as restoring order to an imbalanced country that lost its way the night the Comedian took the big sleep.
I mean, this is the same guy who romanticized Truman's era ("A days work for a days pay.") and speculated on single mothers cheating the welfare system. You think he'd be pro-reparations? LOL come on.
Pretty awesome start so far!
Want to see what's going on in the rest of the world, not just Tulsa though.
How is the world reeling after the "Alien/Dimensional" squid attack?
What kind of defenses did the planet create to fend off the next "attack"?
What in the fuck is Manhattan doing on Mars? Looks like he's practicing building cities and destroying them?
Want to see what's going on in the rest of the world, not just Tulsa though.
How is the world reeling after the "Alien/Dimensional" squid attack?
What kind of defenses did the planet create to fend off the next "attack"?
What in the fuck is Manhattan doing on Mars? Looks like he's practicing building cities and destroying them?
Think it's pretty clear they aren't reeling. As the squid rain showed, this is just another daily inconvenience at this point. Veidt failed.
I came here to post this. That was brutal, especially knowing that it actually happened, the riots that is.
Not surprising considering how good Leftovers was. Lindelof has become one of my favorite tv writers.
So many mystery boxes.
Ahh, cool. I'm glad someone else mentioned the police chief not necessarily being who he appeared to be. Though you're coming from it from a different angle than what I'm thinking, yours makes it much more obvious. I'm thinking of the badge and the drop of blood.
In the original Watchmen book, the "badge" is a smiley face and the blood comes from the death of the Comedian. The comedian wears this badge out of deliberate irony. He's not really a comedian. He's a violent weapon that cares nothing for the harm he causes. Even his death, as symbolized by the positioning of his blood on the button, denotes a countdown to the end of the world.
It seems certain that the blood drop on the sheriff's badge at the end of the first episode is intended to symbolize a similar dark irony. That the sherriff represented something opposite of what the badge he wore symbolized. That he wears it half in humor. If it doesn't then Lindelof fucked up the most important symbol of the entire story. It may also mean a countdown to the end of the world again, a similar irony of the badge representing safety, protection, justice, and the countdown mocking that idea.
The one thing that I think is going to complicate the issue is that where a smiley face is rather a pure symbol for "Have a Nice Day" or general good feelings, a police badge is a much more complex symbol. I think Lindelof is trying to use it as a pure symbol, for justice, order, righteousness, whathaveyou, but will it necessarily come off that way to an audience?
Also interesting that the woman finds the badge, a surrogate for Rorschach who found the button in Watchmen. Not sure if that's important yet.
In the original Watchmen book, the "badge" is a smiley face and the blood comes from the death of the Comedian. The comedian wears this badge out of deliberate irony. He's not really a comedian. He's a violent weapon that cares nothing for the harm he causes. Even his death, as symbolized by the positioning of his blood on the button, denotes a countdown to the end of the world.
It seems certain that the blood drop on the sheriff's badge at the end of the first episode is intended to symbolize a similar dark irony. That the sherriff represented something opposite of what the badge he wore symbolized. That he wears it half in humor. If it doesn't then Lindelof fucked up the most important symbol of the entire story. It may also mean a countdown to the end of the world again, a similar irony of the badge representing safety, protection, justice, and the countdown mocking that idea.
The one thing that I think is going to complicate the issue is that where a smiley face is rather a pure symbol for "Have a Nice Day" or general good feelings, a police badge is a much more complex symbol. I think Lindelof is trying to use it as a pure symbol, for justice, order, righteousness, whathaveyou, but will it necessarily come off that way to an audience?
Also interesting that the woman finds the badge, a surrogate for Rorschach who found the button in Watchmen. Not sure if that's important yet.
Just finished. What an incredible direction to take a show based on the comic book. Zoom out decades after the events of the comic, make it topical, make it subversive, make it a homage of what made the comic so damn compelling and do it by breaking rules and turning things on its head. If what I'm hearing about the first 6 episodes is any indication in terms of impressions, I'm really excited to see where this all goes myself.
Wait...was Judd supposed to be Nite Owl? He knew how to pilot Archie better than the woman, the owl mug, a copy of Under a The Hood in his office...? Or maybe he was just obsessed with him.
i don't really remember Nite Owl's history other than him being the 2nd one.
i don't really remember Nite Owl's history other than him being the 2nd one.