Watch Dogs: Legion updated PC requirements (including RT) released

MrBob · Oct 13, 2020

I don't fully understand these dlss modes? DLSS Quality higher res than DLSS performance? Because very high ray tracing is using dlss quality while ultra is using dlss performance. Typically the cpu matters more at lower resolutions so is dlss performance running at lower rendering resolution than DLSS Quality?

Edit:. Maybe they are both rendering at 1080p then but don't know for sure.

GhostofWar · Oct 13, 2020

This game only has RT for reflections right? CP2077 is adding Shadows, diffuse illumination and ambient occlusion ontop. Really curious how well thats gonna run, interesting time ahead.

GhostofWar · Oct 13, 2020

MrBob said:
I don't fully understand these dlss modes? DLSS Quality higher res than DLSS performance? Because very high ray tracing is using dlss quality while ultra is using dlss performance. Typically the cpu matters more at lower resolutions so is dlss performance running at lower rendering resolution than DLSS Quality?

Edit:. Maybe they are both rendering at 1080p then but don't know for sure.

the high setting is running 1440p with quality dlss which will make the actual render resolution under 1080p, probably around 900p. The ultra is 4k with performance dlss which would make it about 1080p render resolution. The ultra setting is probably also using more rays than high aswell, so the reflections might look a little less noisy and/or blurry. Gonna need DF to do their thing to see if the difference between quality is worth it, but im guessing optimized settings will use high RT.

Nateo · Oct 13, 2020

Hopefully its more optimised than WD2 cause holyshit that game runs like shit maxed out 1080p on a 2080.

BigTnaples · Oct 13, 2020

Wild. Need upgrade to a 3080 from my 2080ti ASAP. Cyberpunk deserve the best.

Dries · Oct 13, 2020

Others have mentioned this, but the increase in resolution meaning needing a beefier CPU is still strange to me.

ThreepQuest64 · Oct 13, 2020

Can't find the fps target, though.

shinbojan · Oct 13, 2020

Nateo said:
Hopefully its more optimised than WD2 cause holyshit that game runs like shit maxed out 1080p on a 2080.

And to make it worse, it does not look good.

Terbinator · Oct 13, 2020

20GB high-quality textures pack ⚰

Patitoloco · Oct 13, 2020

Nateo said:
Hopefully its more optimised than WD2 cause holyshit that game runs like shit maxed out 1080p on a 2080.

WD2 is heavily CPU limited, though, not that much weight on the GPU.

Nateo · Oct 13, 2020

Patitoloco said:
WD2 is heavily CPU limited, though, not that much weight on the GPU.

9900k @ 5Ghz tho. Its a shittly optimised game.

Stacey · Oct 13, 2020

Dries said:
Others have mentioned this, but the increase in resolution meaning needing a beefier CPU is still strange to me.

Digital Foundry also saw this anomaly with Crysis Remastered. Very strange indeed.

shinbojan · Oct 13, 2020

Patitoloco said:
WD2 is heavily CPU limited, though, not that much weight on the GPU.

Are you sure?
My 1080ti is always on 99% while playing WD2, while cpu (8700k) is in the 50-80 range.

Patitoloco · Oct 13, 2020

Nateo said:
9900k @ 5Ghz tho. Its a shittly optimised game.

Ohh yeah, I wasn't saying it's perfect at all, just saying that a 2080 or a 3080 or a 5080 wouldn't make that much difference.

Dictator · Oct 13, 2020

Dries said:
Others have mentioned this, but the increase in resolution meaning needing a beefier CPU is still strange to me.

These are just random system requirements - it can mean absolutely nothing in praxis.

It is not just the output resolution which is increasing here - but the settings as well (like ultra rt). If the RT changes the amount of objects in the BVH structure the higher it is set, it will increase CPU requirements as well as GPU requirements. It has nothing to do with resolution.

Patitoloco · Oct 13, 2020

shinbojan said:
Are you sure?
My 1080ti is always on 99% while playing WD2, while cpu (8700k) is in the 50-80 range.

Yeah, Gamers Nexus did a report back then on how it's really CPU bound:

Watch Dogs 2 CPU Optimization Guide & Graphics Benchmarks | GamersNexus

stub One interesting aspect of the Watch_Dogs 2 benchmarking we did for our 2500K revisit was the difference in performance between i5s and i7s. At stock speeds, the i7-2600K was easily outpacing the i5-2500K by roughly 15 FPS—and even more interestingly, the i7-6700K managed to hit our GTX...

www.gamersnexus.net

ara · Oct 13, 2020

This was supposed to be 60fps on the PS5, right? I'm sure my rig could handle it at 1440p just fine, but I could give it a break and play these cross-gen 60fps games on the PS5 since I'm getting one anyway.

shinbojan · Oct 13, 2020

Patitoloco said:
Yeah, Gamers Nexus did a report back then on how it's really CPU bound:

Well, I am playing the game at 0% extra detail.
Not sure if the patches affected the performance, but my gpu is always at 99%, while cpu is not.
I still get sub-60 drops even in 1080p. I've been playing the game at 4k+temporal+70% scaling, it works ok, but drops do happen.

I've tried it at 4k with max settings in 30fps and still thought the game does not look that good.

Linus815 · Oct 13, 2020

ara said:
This was supposed to be 60fps on the PS5, right? I'm sure my rig could handle it at 1440p just fine, but I could give it a break and play these cross-gen 60fps games on the PS5 since I'm getting one anyway.

dont think they said anything about the framerate on consoles

ara · Oct 13, 2020

Linus815 said:
dont think they said anything about the framerate on consoles

Oh, really? I must be thinking of Assassin's Creed, then.

Well, I'm not in a hurry to buy another Ubisoft game anyway, so I'll just wait and see.

Hasney · Oct 13, 2020

Ready for 4k raytracing!

... Or turning down some settings to get a higher framerate. We'll see. Depends what that top end is targeting.

liquidmetal14 · Oct 13, 2020

I expect high frame rates with that 1440p DLSS recommended. Or else the game is not optimised well enough or the RT is really demanding.

Linus815 · Oct 13, 2020

liquidmetal14 said:
I expect high frame rates with that 1440p DLSS recommended. Or else the game is not optimised well enough or the RT is really demanding.

high framerates in an open world ubi game? in a watch dogs game nonetheless? I wouldnt get my hopes up.

liquidmetal14 · Oct 13, 2020

Linus815 said:
high framerates in an open world ubi game? in a watch dogs game nonetheless? I wouldnt get my hopes up.

I suppose it's my optimism since my rig is pretty much the exact requirement for 4K DLSS.

The GPU and CPU are right on the dot for me as I have the 9900k and the 3080 but I am well over the other metrics needed so I'm not necessarily worried but I would like to run the game at a little bit of a higher frame rate so obviously I'm going to have to do some tweaking.

golem · Oct 13, 2020

The sliders especially extra details were dumb heavy in WD2 and max settings were visually not worth it at all. I would expect the same of WDL and with the addition of RT in an open world game it'll probably bring computers to their knees on both CPU and GPU side this time.

Will be interesting to see the differences between WDL and 2077's open world RT implementations.

Tora · Oct 20, 2020

Skip to 3:10 to look at video settings

-VRAM Usage is 7.6GB at 1440p maxed out or 8.2GB at 4k according to the toolbar in the bottom right

-Enabling Medium RT reflections further increases usage from 7675MB to 8363MB (with only a minor change increasing to High/Ultra)

-DLSS doesn't seem to change the VRAM used much, but of course we'll have to test it ourselves to see just how much is being used

golem · Oct 20, 2020

Lmao the dreaded extra details slider is back. Can't wait to see everyone complain that the game isn't optimized when they crank it all the way up for essentially zero visual difference.

Spoit · Oct 20, 2020

Tora said:
Skip to 3:10 to look at video settings

-VRAM Usage is 7.6GB at 1440p maxed out or 8.2GB at 4k according to the toolbar in the bottom right

-Enabling Medium RT reflections further increases usage from 7675MB to 8363MB (with only a minor change increasing to High/Ultra)

-DLSS doesn't seem to change the VRAM used much, but of course we'll have to test it ourselves to see just how much is being used

But it's that real usage, or just how much is allocated?

Tora · Oct 20, 2020

golem said:
Lmao the dreaded extra details slider is back. Can't wait to see everyone complain that the game isn't optimized when they crank it all the way up for essentially zero visual difference.

Haha, watch any benchmark of the game on YouTube and people are somehow surprised that performance is mixed even though they're using PCSS and 100% extra details

Spoit said:
But it's that real usage, or just how much is allocated?

No idea, it'll probably be allocation. I couldn't test WD2 with afterburner to see how much that was using so I'm not sure legion will let us either

iFirez · Oct 26, 2020

Game can now be preloaded on Uplay including those with Uplay+ subscriptions.
Once you preload you can install the HD Texture Pack too which is an additional 14GB.

Calvin · Oct 26, 2020

ara said:
This was supposed to be 60fps on the PS5, right? I'm sure my rig could handle it at 1440p just fine, but I could give it a break and play these cross-gen 60fps games on the PS5 since I'm getting one anyway.

They announced a few weeks ago the game is going to run 4k@30 with RT on XSX and PS5. There was some wiggle room for semantics in the statement where you could postulate about there being other graphical options (maybe a 1440p60), but I suspect that is wishful thinking.

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