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Watch Dogs Legion: PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S - Graphics, Performance, Ray Tracing! |
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Ah, great to see that there are no differences between X and 5. Should make the thread much mor civil without all the annoying warriors :)
Game doesn't look stunning but we already can see that Microsoft and Playstation did a good job with their hardware. The future looks bright and both consoles are indeed closer than ever. All gamers win. Great times!
Oh, and S is doing some work. Great hardware for that price point.
Game doesn't look stunning but we already can see that Microsoft and Playstation did a good job with their hardware. The future looks bright and both consoles are indeed closer than ever. All gamers win. Great times!
Oh, and S is doing some work. Great hardware for that price point.
Not the first time i have seen you try to push this narrative. Care to back it up?
Not ugly, but it's not a looker, either. It looks like an acceptable late gen PS4 game, that was then drenched in Ray Tracing.
Like a glazed Apple.
Yeah, Series S is the most interesting one for sure. I wish we also had more points of comparison between Series S and say, a One X, because it's such an odd comparison. We'll probably end up with games that run at higher resolution on the One X but feature more advanced post-processing or rendering techniques on the S.
As a PS5 owner, the Series S is looking very attractive as a Gamepass machine.
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Nop, it's on the game files and you can even try on a PC, but not available on consoles.
Kinda crazy that there isn't even really a new gpu yet that can do RT for that price.
Well, considering how...mid range quality it looks, this is not impressive at all...
No, it looks really bad to me but has some great lighting because of RT
The number of same-year console launches is low enough that I don't think there's ever been anything quite this close. GameCube and Xbox might have produced quite similar results in some games, if there'd been more games shared between them and if there had been a Digital Foundry equivalent back then.
Yes, the on-screen results seem to be falling short of what we might reasonably expect, to the point where I'd wonder just how far above 30FPS the game could go if it were allowed to. If Ubisoft manage to patch it up to a consistent 60FPS that'd be a lot closer to what we might expect based on what we're seeing from other games.
I still don't understand all the fuss is about on RT reflections. It's majorly cutting in the performance envelop, and honestly if these reflections are blurry or sub par, I just don't see the interest.
Miles Morales reflections look good, but the light treatment Demons Souls has is a much better compromise.
I hope we will try to move away from that tendency (get it?), or at least until raw power allows 60FPS AND better effects at the same time.
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Yeah, RT is a nice thing to have but if it looks bad, which is the case in certain type of reflections on the S, then I don't know if is worth the performance hit.
On a super cloudy day, where the pavement is super damp and the RT reflections are everywhere, it's scary good looking.
WatchDogs: maybe a bug but currently has missing puddles
COD: More stable frame rate with ray tracing enabled
DMCV: Better performance in ray tracing mode
Just check all the DF threads if you need evidence, they are both close but ray-tracing seems better on XSX while 120fps seems better on PS5.
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2 cases where is all but confirmed it is a bug and a underwhelming port?
I don't understand how this is a pattern.
If they are bugs and get fixed, then sure they will be more or less equal. But until they are fixed the XSX is doing better with ray-tracing.
For all we know the reason the XSX isn't doing even better could be a bug or tools or whatever. I'm only going by what the current state of the games are now.
Funny how we went from reflections in the puddle, to reflection of the puddle itself. Can't wait for what's coming nextNEXT GEN PUDDLEGATE
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Mate, if you start using bugs as a measure then I would say Xbox X is struggling with AF. COD and Watch Dogs are bugs. DMC 5 is a very unoptimized port, should we judge Xbox X's performance based of Assassins Creed?
I am really not liking this trend of games with RT reflections being 30fps. There has to be a better more cost-effective way to do it.
And I wish there was a Tech focused OT, where everything tech can be discussed. Like I would like to know, with regards to computational costs, where different RT techniques line up. eg Reflections, vs shadows vs AO...etc.
A classic case of confirmation bias.
And I wish there was a Tech focused OT, where everything tech can be discussed. Like I would like to know, with regards to computational costs, where different RT techniques line up. eg Reflections, vs shadows vs AO...etc.
Easy... people can see patterns in everything when they are looking fr only one thing... 😄
A classic case of confirmation bias.
I wonder how things would look without that 30 fps cap, as far as performance differences. Even so, great to see this game doesn't appear to have any major issues on any platform.
I'm enjoying it and I do think it overall looks good. Better motion blur would really help with the 30 fps target. And while design wise the Npcs are very meh, detail wise they are a cut above most open world games. It's that this game makes you spend more time looking at them (and playing as them!) that makes them stand out. But overall I do like the visuals. Load times feel super last gen.
I'm enjoying it and I do think it overall looks good. Better motion blur would really help with the 30 fps target. And while design wise the Npcs are very meh, detail wise they are a cut above most open world games. It's that this game makes you spend more time looking at them (and playing as them!) that makes them stand out. But overall I do like the visuals. Load times feel super last gen.
So identical outside of minor bugs. I do think I'm more likely to notice lower AF than I am puddles in reflections, but hopefully the bugs in both get patched.
Personally with the versions being identical in graphics and performance, the PS5's load times and DualSense support will be the deciding factors for me, though won't be buying it till it goes on sale later down the line.
Personally with the versions being identical in graphics and performance, the PS5's load times and DualSense support will be the deciding factors for me, though won't be buying it till it goes on sale later down the line.
It's an open world Ubisoft game. They all have issues at launch. Apparently there's even a hidden 60 fps mode in the config files so I wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting to unlock that after some more optimization work.
Yup... improved overall performance/effects with better optimized games and slight differences between two console versions with advantages going both ways that are more dependent on things like game engine quirks, the lead platform, or dev time.
Plus more comments like this betraying a lust for revenge lol.
Tools will obviously mature with both, but it will be nice when the cross gen era ends and dsvs are making games for 3 or 4 platforms and not 8 or 9 . That will probably be pretty far away tho.
DMCV SE is the only game that didn't cap the frame rate with RT, so you have results for 1080p at 120hz and 4K at 120hz. XSX had a 1-5 fps advantage on like for like scenes. I think we see similar results if other games had 120hz for every mode.
Looking at the One S and PS4 footage in this video next to Series X, PS5 and even Series S is like night and day improvement...
I'm impressed with what a big difference a little coat of next gen paint can do to a last gen game.
Almost makes Watch Dogs look like game I'd want to play...
I'm impressed with what a big difference a little coat of next gen paint can do to a last gen game.
Almost makes Watch Dogs look like game I'd want to play...
I agree, I have the S and the X and the S impresses me so much, playing MW and Cold War on it both are really smooth, granted i'm playing on a 40" 4k Samsung TV from 2017 for the money I paid for it and the size of the package i'm blown away. I love it. The SSD is the only gripe but I understand that and have a USD SSD plugged in for the back compat games.
I wouldn't get the S if you have a much larger 4k screen but for people with smaller TVs I cant praise it enough right now.
Looks like the game got an update today... dunno what the patchnotes were though. You'd hope that was in it?
Edit: In fact, this is in it, which I'm gonna guess is the fix. The crashing at the menu was what caused it to not save.
We know Series X does not have dedicated Ray Accelerators like PC parts and potentially PS5 going by what Cerny said. Xbox Series consoles use hybrid RT sharing resources with TMUs. Probably could be reason why texture quality is lower than PS5, even more so with Series S due to the lower clocks and less resources due to smaller GPU than Series X.
Its a bug and it is not missing puddles, it is missing showing the puddles on reflections in glass. Digital Foundry who did a deep dive showed that both consoles share identical settings and also not shocking is that Xbox Series S does not have that bug either only PS5 version.
This would makes sense if both didn't have identical settings with PS5 momentarily dropping due to a bug. During long stretches of gameplay they are both locked but during some set piece and cutscene PS5 drops but if you restart from that checkpoint and replay that same scene the drop is eliminated.
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Ray Tracing Performance Mode: In matched like-for-like content such as cutscenes, Xbox Series X enjoys a very small performance advantage - but this seems to be even lower than it was in the normal mode. And again, perhaps it's down to the dynamic nature of gameplay where like-for-like, pixel-for-pixel matched content is not possible, but there do seem to be some areas where PlayStation 5 enjoys its own tiny lead. The overall takeaway here is that both systems are essentially like-for-like.
Ray Tracing Quality Mode: This ramps resolution back up to 3840x2160, but it's using the same image reconstruction technique used in the high frame-rate mode in order to boost performance. The impact of RT is pretty large, however, and much of the experience plays out beneath 60 frames per second. On paper, Xbox has a lead - but it is vanishingly small - and in matched like-for-like content, PS5 actually manages to match Xbox performance for much of the duration, while in other scenes it's just 2-3fps behind. However, while difficult to pinpoint exactly owing to the lack of exact like-for-like gameplay, Xbox's gameplay performance advantage seems to open up here.
With that said, you said Series X has a better raytracing, it literally doesn't because they have identical raytracing in all games thus far. Framerate performance is where they trade blows. Series S however has an inferior raytracing to both as it does not have RT shadows in COD, does not have RT in DMCSE and in Watchdogs rendering the RT reflection at a much lower resolution. So again how is it inferior when they have identical RT settings in every game.
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^^ RDNA 2 on PC shares with the TMU as well. RA and TMU are direct link.
I agree with you. I couldn´t care less about RT and at times it is really hard for me notice it.
My comment was more for those who say things like "Xbox Series S is not a next gen console". Here you have it, next gen features (at low res of course) for 300 bucks.
Seems there are some patching needed to fix some oddities on the twins, but the big news here is the S. Great to see RT implemented on a low cost device. Really should be an attractive option to those on a budget or looking for a secondary console. With these results, plus the opportunity to grow into xCloud is great.
Also looking like the last gen is going to be in rear view mirror pretty quickly.
Also looking like the last gen is going to be in rear view mirror pretty quickly.