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Washington Post: Obama met with Beto about running in 2020
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Everything that could be used against Bernie was used: the poem, the Fidel praise, etc. It did not stick. It won't stick. It was actually Bernie that didn't go hard enough on Clinton tbh.
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If you really think attacking him over donations when he is one of the only candidates on either aisle to refuse any PAC money or any corporate money you clearly have nothing to attack him on.
I had no idea Bernie didn't do horrible amongst African American voters and didn't lose the primary in part due to them not being comfortable with his record on minority issues.
So bringing up his poor record on minority issues didn't stick?
I had no idea Bernie didn't do horrible amongst African American voters and didn't lose the primary in part due to them not being comfortable with his record on minority issues.
I know you've carved out a nice little niche as Resetera's number one Beto fan, but it'd be a better look to just concede that breaking this pledge sucks and that we should expect better from him.
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His record on fundraising is one of his strongest assets. He has one of the cleanest track records of any Democrat (cleaner than Bernie, by far btw). I just find it funny you have so little to attack him on you use one of his actual strengths. No one buys it.
What part of his record? He just didn't connect with black voters and does not know how to connect with them. That's his main issue but as far as I recall it wasn't connected with some policy he enacted. Will Beto be able to connect with black and hispanic voters, I wonder? He got white yuppies all happy, but I am not sure if his "Beto" schtick will be taken as well as Clinton's "abuela".
If he's so good at fundraising then he should have been able to stick to his pledge and not accept donations from oil and gas executives. Nobody forced him to sign it.
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Go watch a video of Bero speaking in a black church in Texas (which he has done a lot) and come back to me on that one.
Oh and if someone thinks black people didn't connect to him for no reason at all related to policies and comments that just isn't true. Black people during the primaries often expressed anger over his stance on guns (Remember Chicago has "gun culture" but Vermont has "hunting culture") for example and saw it as racist.
Beto's charisma with all groups of people is something you underestimate at your own peril:
You're really freaking out about 29 donations? Maybe his campaign missed them? Maybe they will be paid back?
Well Bernie gun control yes, it's a weak spot. But besides that, Bernie favorables with black democrats are currently just as good as with any other demographic. That will definitely change once the debates start, of course.
I personally find ROBERTO's nickname highly problematic tbh.
Pretty sure I'm not "freaking out". I just think it should be uncontroversial to point out where a politician has broken a pledge and it's important to hold them to those, particularly with regard to something as crucial as rejecting all oil and gas donations.
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Jesus Fucking Christ. You are pulling from the GOP playbook? Really? REALLY?
He was called Beto since the day he was born. The idea he uses it to sound "Hispanic" is insanity.
Again, he did not take a single penny from oil and gas companies. He took zero dollars from corporations or PACs. Only small dollar individual donors. That is a pledge he did not break.
you have a problem with a name he's had since he was born? give us a break with your fake gop-talking-point bullshit
oh LOL i see you now
Total oil and gas donations: $0
Out of almost $80,000,000 he raised, there were 29 contributions over $200 by oil and gas executives. Worst-case scenario, the grand total from those donations would be $78,300.
Love the witting conflation of "oil and gas companies" with "individuals who work at oil and gas companies."
It's Texas. Of course a lot of your individual donors will work in that industry, just as a lot of NY and NJ-based individual donors will work in finance.
It doesn't mean you're being bought off by big whatever.
It's Texas. Of course a lot of your individual donors will work in that industry, just as a lot of NY and NJ-based individual donors will work in finance.
It doesn't mean you're being bought off by big whatever.
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So we learned the biggest attack lines they have on Beto are a hilariously disproved attack about his nickname he had since birth that the alt-right originated.
And the fact he doesn't take a penny from any corporations or any PACs which puts him as one of the cleanest candidates there is in the country in terms of fundraising (including more than Bernie!) is somehow not perfect enough.
Yeah, Beto will be just fine.
And the fact he doesn't take a penny from any corporations or any PACs which puts him as one of the cleanest candidates there is in the country in terms of fundraising (including more than Bernie!) is somehow not perfect enough.
Yeah, Beto will be just fine.
I work in healthcare. Every candidate I donate to is getting this money from the evil big healthcare industry apparently.
He's from El Paso. Like 90% of people there are Hispanic so even non Hispanic people are going to be influenced by that culture with nicknames for example.
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Apparently using his logic Betos parents must have known he would become a national political figure one day so they started calling him Beto since he was a baby so he would sound more Hispanic.
Makes perfect sense!
Did you mean will Beto continue to connect with black and hispanic voters?
Take it up with the people who wrote the pledge he signed that seem to think it is important to include oil and gas executives, I guess.
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I mean it's not like the moment that got Beto national attention last year was him speaking about black lives matter or anything
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Texas does not count okay.
Also, why is this assumed to be still a problem for Bernie? We need voting data yet, but it seems like he has done his work with black democrats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sanders/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28c66c2c0207
Although maybe some of his "muh white working class" comments he has made recently will come back to haunt him.
"Knowingly accept" is the key there. Soliciting would break them, accepting them because no one in intake caught the names would not break the pledge whatsoever. They're literally about .1% of his total.
Well then it shouldn't be controversial to point out that he's taken then so he can do the right thing and give them back.
Principles matter.
So connecting with black and Hispanic voters in the second largest majority minority state doesn't count?
Where have I heard this logic before?
Something something South Carolina low-information.
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So why didn't they vote for him?
Why are people he endorsed like Gillum already making it known they wont back him in 2020?
Pointing it out is fine in the name of following the rules and such. (He raised near 80M, 80K is a rounding error.)
Doing so going "HE BROKE THE RULES HE LIED THE LYING LIAR" is not, and that's the Sirota/Kotch framing that's a problem, as it's been with every issue that's been thrown so far, between this, "#1 is OIL/GAS DONATIONS" (ignoring that he's #1 in virtually all industries) and the ridiculous spin on an all-but-mandatory-for-a-candidate AIPAC meeting.
They will once the he wins Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada! 1-2-3 punch.
Hey dude, maybe if you repeat "oil and gas" ten times more, it'll suddenly stick and Bernie will be president.
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I'd gladly vote for Bernie if he wins the primary, but he'd basically be Jimmy Carter 2.0. Nice guy, talks about the right things, doesn't have the political or legislative acumen to actually make them happen. Then we'd be right back to square one with a Republican winning in 2024. We are basically going through a speed run of the late 60s/early 70s right now, let's not fuck it up this time.
The primaries have not even started and things have already gotten mighty interesting. I can sense 2020 to be even more of a bitter battle than 2016 or 2008 for the people emotionally invested, and 2008 between Clinton and Obama(both between the candidates and the supporters of them) made 2016 look like a walk in the park.
Thats why Bernie has some of the highest approval ratings right. This beto defensiveness reminds me of Bernie defensiveness in pre 2016, where any criticism is dismissed as veing from dishonest actors.
Why would Clinton a career politician treat anyone with kid gloves, lets be realistic here.
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Before becoming a nominee: Nixon lost a presidential and governor race. George HW Bush list two senate races. Reagan lost a Presidential race. Bill Clinton lost a governor race. George W Bush lost a congressional race. Hillary lost a presidential race.
Your narrative makes no sense. Presidential nominees are historically full of former losers.
lincoln lost a senate race in 1858 and won the presidency in 1860. if you want to go back far
Except if you search anyone offering up the criticism currently, they have an extensive history of stanning for Bernie.
I'm pretty sure his loss with African Americans vs Hillary is mainly due to who he was running against. Older African Americans adore the Clinton's. Hell my dad backed her only because he felt Bill Clinton would really be in charge lol. I was like "what?"
That and most of my family didn't know who Bernie was except some of my cousins when I inquired about it.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on his terrible messaging as the reason.
And the ones primarily backing Beto are primarily Clinton supporters, some of them with misguided grievances.
Both sides were dismissive of criticism and too defensive.
Dont just latch onto anything you see and hear. His name is not an issue and only came from Republicans as criticism. Dont do that, it makes you seem desperate for any information that you feels support you even when it's wrong or twisted. People will take you less seriously and rightly so.
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