Bernie Bros vs Beto Brehs. Many will enter and many will leave very injured but hopefully we have very good healthcare
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Washington Post: Obama met with Beto about running in 2020
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In a primary? Sure who cares, vote who you want. If a GENERAL? Fuuuuuck that. Everyone who isn't MAGA needs to be at the polls voting whoever the Dem nominee is.
It was basically "I'm from a family of veterans and this is not ok. Please explain why you hate the troops". I mean that was obviously the intention here.
So yeah, it was a pretty good response. He also managed to somehow be respectful to this idiot, while also putting him in his place.
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Yeah because a charismatic young politician who energizes young people and fills stadiums like no one has done since Obama can't beat Trump. Sure, yeah. Okay.
Burtnfoot is entirely unrealistic about his expectation on how Democrats should handle race. He's not voting for any Democrat because the kind of person he wants, which he never really explains, has to be pure Black and has to basically only campaign on Black race issues.
He's literally the best shot the dems have. If you think Kamala has any appeal in the midwest then wew.
I never claimed that Beto can't do any of these things, I love the guy. Just saying there are recent ex-employees of Russian troll farms who have stated they were instructed to heavily push Beto on US social media as while he is very inspirational, the Russians know that ultimately he is not a candidate who can win the current US election system, therefore he is the perfect Democrat for them. People will go Beto crazy, Trump will win the electoral college system and the Russians are happy.
Iowa already has Beto fever. He's the most requested candidate to meet. Once he announces he's running, interest is going to spike all over the place.
Yeah, I wish people would have learned when Barack Obama failed to win the presidency. This guy is even more Left of Obama. What are people thinking?!
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Beto would beat Trump. Look at how Democrats crushed republicans this cycle.
A Democrat who excites young people and gets record breaking turnout? Trump will lose to that.
What?
Anyway, I think Beto is the best chance we got. He's young, charismatic, and excites the base.
This doesn't make sense. Why can't Beto "win the US election system"? There's nothing about him that makes it unrealistic for him to win states like PA and MI, both of which have shown shifts away from Trump with the midterms.
Your avatar fam. I don't know how you think someone to the left of Beto is getting a presidential win in this country but I'd like to see the strategy!
Buckle up, if this is how things are before anybody announces, 2020 is going to be a roller coaster.
He did, at winning the elections he ran in. Which is the topic under discussion.
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You do realize Obama is beloved by the Democratic Primary voting base...right? His approval ratings amongst dem primary voters is untouchable. He is more popular than anyone in the party, outside of Michelle. And it isn't even close.
Trashing Obama is not going to get you much love from Democratic Primary voters.
If there's a better candidate, I haven't personally seen him or her yet. The guy was able to mobilize voters to such an extent where friggin' Texas almost turned blue. Amplifying that on a national stage where your support base would widen vastly feels like a smart move to me.
Well he IS the white obama, so i guess it makes sense?
Seriously, he is a false choice. He supported TPP, would not support HR676, voted for Trump's military budget and voted to deregulate wall street provisions, in addition to the money he has taken from multiple corporate industries. While he was better than the republican alternative when he was running, i dont want him anywhere near the white house.
We dont have time for these charlatans who politician speak themselves into positions of power and then cowtow to their donors.
Seriously, he is a false choice. He supported TPP, would not support HR676, voted for Trump's military budget and voted to deregulate wall street provisions, in addition to the money he has taken from multiple corporate industries. While he was better than the republican alternative when he was running, i dont want him anywhere near the white house.
We dont have time for these charlatans who politician speak themselves into positions of power and then cowtow to their donors.
He did a great job of getting elected twice. I mean how can you even make an argument that somebody not UBER progressive isn't going to be good enough when Donald Trump is president?
Beto will campaign on raising the minimum wage and universal healthcare, just those two issues alone are important enough to warrant backing a so called "centrist".
Just like how there was no way Trump could beat Clinton. We're just swapping experience with youth here. As an Australian who despises Trump and followed the Texas election for weeks before it happened purely because I'm so fed up with the US in so many ways I desperately wanted to see change, I'm completely aware of the energy Beto brings. I still agree with the Russians that their favoured democratic candidate will lose the election, just like their favourite democrat lost 2016. Beto looks like a sure thing now but come election day and the electoral college I wouldn't be so sure of that. I pray that I am wrong.
Pretty much any non-toxic Democrat is going to win in 2020. I think Harris/Beto is the best shot. 8 years of Harris then pass the torch to Beto for 8 more. Look at the midterms and the polling, its going to be a bloodbath unless Hillary runs again.
Independents voters win elections
he did a good job getting elected twice because he was running against a bumbling dumbfuck from Alaska and the decrepit corpse of senate past.
my point is that his failure of enacting meaningful change has led to people's apprehension towards the democratic establishment, thus making a milquetoast candidate like Beto a hard sell. And I say that as a huge At The Drive-In fan. (I even like Beto, he seems like a nice dude and all)
You talking points seem to be stuck in 2016, to say nothing of your election analysis.
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I am talking about Obama, not Hillary. Obama is as untouchable amongst democratic primary voters. He has near universal approval ratings amongst the party base. You can't trash Obama and win a democratic primary.
no one is asking anyone to trash Obama, I'm just saying you might be overstating his clout.
and yeah, I was wrong, of course Beto will steamroll Trump. I just think it'd be better if it was someone more progressive is all.
I don't know much about American politics but there is something I don't understand. How come it is always these types of "progressives" that have the best shot at becoming a president? First it was Hillary and now Beto. Surely the US can do better than those two?
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Polling from this year has Obama with a 95% approval rating amongst Democrats. 95! How is that overstating anything? Polling this summer had 71% of Democrats say Obama was the best President in their lifetime as well.
If anything you are vastly underestimating how popular he remains in the party.
Because the only candidates who are more "progressive" than the Beto/Kamala/Gillibrand/Biden wing who are likely to run are Warren and Bernie who have their own host of huge weaknesses that hurt their chances in a primary.
People run for President, not policy stances in a vacuum.
You keep talking about the electoral college as if it's some arcane, unknowable thing that decides elections behind closed doors. It's not. It's just states. It is very likely that Beto can win states that Hillary lost. It's that simple.
My friend says
1) Beto isn't qualified ala Trump bc hes only been a house rep and city council
2) Beto won't win because he couldn't even beat Ted Cruz!
I'm bashing my head against a wall here, any advice
1) Beto isn't qualified ala Trump bc hes only been a house rep and city council
2) Beto won't win because he couldn't even beat Ted Cruz!
I'm bashing my head against a wall here, any advice
This... feels like a purity test. He's definitely a middle-road Democrat. I don't like some of those positions. But christ if he can win, fucking take it. There's sort of an existential threat hanging over the US right now.
He doesn't take any PAC money so I don't know what you mean about "multiple corporate industries".
I do think he probably ought to win something bigger before he runs but shit is dire.
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Almost entirely from Bernie Bros who are scared of him because he likely swoops in and takes the vast majority of the 20 something/college age crowd that Bernie had in 2016.
1) that's more than Trump ever was, and technically no one is ever REALLY TRULY qualified to be president. Shit's hard.
2) No one has come as close to almost beating a republican in Texas as Beto did in decades. He almost pulled off a miracle.
ah so you're one of those people. I guess wanting a more left-leaning candidate than beto makes you a B E R N I E B R O
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Beto was a 3 term congressman for 6 years. Obama was a senator for only 2 when he announced.
Cruz is actually popular in Texas, more so than Trump is there (its a red state!) and did far better than he had any right to do in a state like that.
Is your friend voting for the eventual Democratic nominee? That's really all that matters.
I know these things but man I just don't think we're gonna agree.
I'm not dropping an online friend for disagreeing on who the primary nominee should be lol