all of those things can be done in a hotel as well as it is done in trailers in the middle of nowhere. you can station staff in a hotel just as you can elsewhere. and i disagree with you about the degree of surveillance needed, but i don't see why you wouldn't be able to keep that just as high in a building that used to be a hotel
The big difference is these are facilities for children who show up alone claiming they have family in the United States. Trump was deliberately breaking families apart so that children could be shuffled into the for profit adoptions and foster system.
Adults get treated in such inhumane ways here in Australia yes, but children are treated differently that are unaccompanied. I hate what Mannu Island and Christmas Island have become, heck just the initial idea of it all should have been inhumane enough to say no to. Though we also do not have an equivocal situation due to being an island.
All the outrage prior was coming due to forced family separation (which this is not), and concentration camp conditions. There was no nuance needed, previously. This is different.
If you read why this was blocked it was not because a hotel is unsuitable, but because specifically for how the Trump administration used them. You can get buildings that used to be hotels licensed as suitable for housing migrant children. You can allow transparency and access for legal representation just as well in a hotel as in trailers in the middle of nowhere. You can ensure that contractors involved have the proper qualifications. None of the issues raised were inherent problems connected to using hotel buildings
Much of the reporting I have seen covered horrible conditions for children and adolescents ad well. For example: https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention
I'm just not amused when people guilt-trip others over base emotional appeals to "save the kids in cages" for an entire year on behalf of a candidate who was not even making it a highly visible priority during his campaign (which is understandable to some extent due to the all-encompassing quality of COVID), only for that very same crowd to retort "but the fine print!" the next year.
So are these not concentration camps anymore? The involvement of contractors with poor track records is cause for concern.
I stand disgustingly corrected. Truthfully I don't follow the detention centre news extremely closely as it's actually difficult to thanks in part with how secret the Liberal government made it all. However, that doesn't change the fact we fucking suck as a country when it comes to treating people humanely while they seek asylum. Man, even shit like asking to watch kids shower...the fuck.
"Kids in cages" is the same, but to a lesser extent. "Children being separated from families" is non existent in Biden's policy.
This seems to be the crux of it all. Like were liberals just mad at kids being separated from parents, and not also the whole "being detained against their will" thing?
You could just read the story and look at the pictures to understand what it means in regards to this story.
*edit* My mistake. Employees were accused of having inappropriate relationships with children.
To be "fair," a significant subset of these people backtracked their outrage specifically to the family separation aspect alone once they learned that Obama was pretty involved in the other aspects.
I love me some good snark, but the article isn't very clear what these people are actually being housed in. I guess "trailers" since it mentions it a lot? But again it's not specific. Like if it's that, then what do these trailers look like?
Classroom
Dinning Area
Intensive Care Unities
Those are all the photos in the article.
You get it. That's why posters are trying really hard to paint this as success because it registers as success for them. No family separation? Problem solved. Kids in detention camps are nuance that can be sorted out later.
Better things aren't possible.
From my perspective, yes. These are unaccompanied minors coming across the border. They need to be housed temporarily to ensure they have a safe place to go, to safeguard against child trafficking, and a whole host of other completely reasonable concerns that many posters have brought up in this thread. It also seems to last approximately a month. As long as the conditions are safe, comfortable, and very time-limited, I do not have a problem with this.
www.axios.com
A trailer is what many kids in the US are taught in when there's school overcrowding. In this case they're used for visits with lawyers. The tents they're talking about are massive, and are used for wide viewing angles so monitors can see as many kids as possible, which is why the hotel suggestion would never work.
The Biden administration is locking up children. In a facility opened by trump. Managed by a company with logged prior abuses.
If it is managed by a company with logged prior abuses, then that obviously needs to be addressed as quickly as possible. See my "safe, comfortable, and time-limited" comment above.
Agreed. An angry tweet doesn't do shit. She's a member of a body of government that can offer alternatives. Now is the time.
www.cbsnews.com
I'm not a politician, I'm not a solutions person, and neither are you. That's not our job (unless it actually is your job?). Our job as citizens is to demand better and make politicians afraid to continue this bullshit business as usual. We're their bosses, not their employees.You give nothing in terms of solutions. Suggest something concrete. (Not that ngo monitoring, reform of practices and change of contractors, better locations isn't needed)
The foster care system for kids is deeply underprovisioned and overloaded with not enough foster parents. Tossing hundreds or thousands of unaccompanied undocumented minors into that is a bad idea if not scaled up.
U.S. shelters for migrant children near maximum capacity as border crossings increase
Last week, U.S. border agents apprehended more than 1,500 migrant children, according to government statistics reviewed by CBS News.
Not saying that pressure isn't needed or that things don't need modification.
Can you explain to me how you draw the conclusion that BCFS is disproportionately bad? I am not doubting you, I just don't understand the metric you're using to determine proportionality.It seems like BCFS is a disproportionately bad organization though. According to Axios it had 23 allegations of sexually abusing migrant minors from 2015-2018.
The scandal-ridden industry of migrant child shelters
57% of allegations of sexual abuse of migrant youth by staff occurred in shelters run by three contractors.
Again how is this "striving to do better"? What is being done better?
Again, those kinds of conversions can take upwards of a year.
