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Washington Post: Bernie Sanders ‘has not ruled out another run’ for president if Biden doesn’t in 2024

spx54

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it's interesting how both Biden and Sanders don't have an electable heir apparent right now. Trump, does however (DeSantis) but he's too self centered to fully turn over the reigns to him.

In Sanders' case it would be nice if someone of his ilk won a statewide race instead of a deep blue congressional district. When it comes to Biden, I think he should look at one of the Georgia senators (Ossoff or Warnock, if he wins this year) to groom as his successor.
 
Tomohawk

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Matt said:
I mean, we've had two primaries now that demonstrate Democrats in general don't want Bernie running things either.
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I don't think that's true, Bernie lost because the election was about electability and beating Trump, anyone who thinks it was about Biden's policies being more popular or his managerial skills is mistaken.
 
Herne

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xxracerxx said:
We talkin' rigged DNC primary or what?
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Neoweee said:
Who, in your view, are the Democratic top brass, and what mechanism do they have to steering the primary?

He lost by 4 million voters in 2016 and would have lost the second time my 11 or 12 if he hadn't dropped out when he did.
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Matt said:
I mean, we've had two primaries now that demonstrate Democrats in general don't want Bernie running things either.
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Interesting to see the different responses here. To those asking, I meant that when it came to Hillary and Bernie, then Joe and Bernie, it just seemed that the higher ups preferred both to him. As much as the Democrats are way left of the Republicans, I still think they'd rather have someone a bit more moderate than Bernie in the big chair. I've seen a lot of people in here saying the same thing around the time of the last election.
 
BFIB

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Dems need a young candidate. Problem is, I see none that the Dems could use.
 
xxracerxx

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Herne said:
Interesting to see the different responses here. To those asking, I meant that when it came to Hillary and Bernie, then Joe and Bernie, it just seemed that the higher ups preferred both to him. As much as the Democrats are way left of the Republicans, I still think they'd rather have someone a bit more moderate than Bernie in the big chair. I've seen a lot of people in here saying the same thing around the time of the last election.
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You just said the exact same thing only longer.
 

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Tomohawk said:
I don't think that's true, Bernie lost because the election was about electability and beating Trump, anyone who thinks it was about Biden's policies being more popular or his managerial skills is mistaken.
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That option of yours isn't bared out by anything. The people had two chances to select Bernie as the Democratic Party's leader, and both times decisively voted against that.
Herne said:
Interesting to see the different responses here. To those asking, I meant that when it came to Hillary and Bernie, then Joe and Bernie, it just seemed that the higher ups preferred both to him. As much as the Democrats are way left of the Republicans, I still think they'd rather have someone a bit more moderate than Bernie in the big chair. I've seen a lot of people in here saying the same thing around the time of the last election.
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Again, maybe that's true, but if it is those leaders hold the same option as the voters of the Democratic Primary.
 
Bing147

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Iorek Byrnison said:
Possible candidates (plenty of reasons they wouldn't work, but at least theoretically):

- Julian Castro
- Stacey Abrams
- J.B. Pritzker
- Hillary Clinton (you know it could happen)

Plenty of others
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I think I like Abrams of the choices. I'd also be fine with Pritzker, but I'd really like to get away from electing billionaires, even if he's done a pretty great job here in Illinois and as someone about to leave the state, I'd be fine with voting for him again. I was not a fan when the primaries happened a few years ago but he's proven me wrong every chance he's had.
 
LProtagonist

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If the choice is between old dude who cares about the common people and old dude who doesn't care about the common people, then, well, I'll vote for him.
 
etrain911

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He might be too old but between him, Biden, and Trump, he'd get my vote in a heartbeat. He's the only one with a shot that's touting the causes I support.

mbpm said:
I guess at this point I just don't care about how he lost.

If God himself smote down your campaign twice over and you're running a third one I better hear a 6 point plan on how you're going to beat God.

If you don't have one? Okay get lost

If you lost because of your own flaws? Same thing

Of course this assumes belief that Bernie ever really intended to win
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Biden has had more failed runs than Bernie. Including one where he had to drop out due to plagiarism.
 
TheSpaceBetween

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People talking about caps on age to run for president (which I don't disagree with), but there are much more important things we need to cap, ie term limits in the Judicial and Legislative branches.
 
TheMadTitan

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Bernie needs to mentor a younger successor at this point. Even if he wasn't getting up in the age that he is, he's still not being as forceful within his positions as he should be. AOC isn't going to do it, but we're going to need that type of person with that type of life experience, social media savvy, and personality for a non-traditional run to be viable enough for the establishment to not steamroll all over it.
 

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spx54 said:
In Sanders' case it would be nice if someone of his ilk won a statewide race instead of a deep blue congressional district. When it comes to Biden, I think he should look at one of the Georgia senators (Ossoff or Warnock, if he wins this year) to groom as his successor.
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Ossoff and Warnock are strong picks - particularly given Ossoff's ability to tweak his image successfully. His 2017 and 2021 campaigns were wildly different.
 

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When all the boomers are gone, we will be left with largely moderates who simply want to shift to different electoral races with the ultimate goal of landing consulting gigs. They don't care about people. They care about money. The local progressives don't have a solid foundation of voter support. AOC is the best we can hope for. I'm not going to fault Bernie for wanting to try to win. All the more power to him. Actively shooing him away is foolish imo. Outside of Biden, who else would I realistically root for in a primary? It'll be a moderate shit show as always.
 

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Alcedor said:
When all the boomers are gone, we will be left with largely moderates who simply want to shift to different electoral races with the ultimate goal of landing consulting gigs. They don't care about people. They care about money. The local progressives don't have a solid foundation of voter support. AOC is the best we can hope for. I'm not going to fault Bernie for wanting to try to win. All the more power to him. Actively shooing him away is foolish imo. Outside of Biden, who else would I realistically root for in a primary? It'll be a moderate shit show as always.
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There are 97 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. What makes AOC the absolute best out of all of them? What makes the majority of them, as you call it "moderates who simply want to shift to a different electoral races". Progressives aren't some tiny chunk of the Democratic party-- they are about half of the reps, which is almost certainly higher than the chunk of their actual electorate that identifies as progressive.
 

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At this point is rather we just put in someone who shared the same values. I'm sick of the they won't win argument we keep putting in people that everyone despises. But he's too old and I feel like we need someone younger
 
cDNA

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Neoweee said:
There are 97 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. What makes AOC the absolute best out of all of them? What makes the majority of them, as you call it "moderates who simply want to shift to a different electoral races". Progressives aren't some tiny chunk of the Democratic party-- they are about half of the reps, which is almost certainly higher than the chunk of their actual electorate that identifies as progressive.
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AOC call herself socialist even it don't make political sense in USA and is attacked constanly by republicans that want to make her the face of party. That are probably the main reasons.
 
mbpm

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We should run Hilary again. It'll appeal to our national sense of nostalgia whether you knew her in the 90s or you knew her in the 10s. And her campaigns right before she loses are always a good time.
 
Foltzie

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mbpm said:
We should run Hilary again. It'll appeal to our national sense of nostalgia whether you knew her in the 90s or you knew her in the 10s. And her campaigns right before she loses are always a good time.
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It's a shame, Hillary is a brilliant woman.

Who somehow managed to choose terrible campaign managers who failed to pivot to their address her challengers strengths twice.
 
Chikor

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Uncle at Nintendo said:
Dems will pick Kamala in 24 or 28 and she will get demolished
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She won zero delegates last time and I'm not sure why everyone assume she will win the nomination.
I don't think polls that far out are terribly useful, but she's not terribly popular right now, and the white house keep sending her to be the face of the least popular things the admin is doing, so I'm not sure why this will change.
 
OtterX

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This really just underscores the crisis regarding the lack of young democratic talent, doesn't it?
 
Royalan

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OtterX said:
You keep saying that. Care to throw out a name, any name, of someone that might stand a chance in 24 or 28?
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No! Because that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

For starters, y'all can get 2024 out of your minds. That ain't on the table, and shame on Bernie for even fanning the flames.

But, at the end of the day, this is so much bigger than 2024 OR Bernie. This is about nurturing a young slate of progressive candidates to work for the party in the future...not have it be gifted to them; not taking it over out of "revengence."

It's just so clear that so many of y'all aren't looking at the grassroots. At local races. At ground-up progressives who didn't make a name off the Bernie mediasphere. Because those Progressives were here, are here, and will continue to be here. BERNIE SANDERS DID NOT BIRTH PROGRESSIVE IDEAS.

But what too many of y'all want is another kinging.

You want another chosen one.

You want another loud white man who'll "challenge the status quo" and give y'all an easy target to hate.

Y'all aren't looking for fresh progressives making a name for THEMSELVES by doing the work.
 
steejee

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Foltzie said:
It's a shame, Hillary is a brilliant woman.

Who somehow managed to choose terrible campaign managers who failed to pivot to their address her challengers strengths twice.
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Watching the Frontline candidate profiles in 2016 for Clinton and Trump was...lordy. Like night and day.

She was eminently qualified, and all the shit she'd gotten over the years for just being a woman was so much of why she was such a shielded individual. Her loss was a testament to just how fucked up our society is.
 

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Bernie, please, start working to actively promote a successor. There are serious practical considerations to your age at this point.
 

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danm999

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If I were thinking of running for Democratic nominee for 2024 or 2028 (whenever Biden retires), I'd probably be trying to become involved in the explosion of union activity in big companies occurring at the moment.

Might be a clue over the next few months and years about who is gunning up to run.
 
Nox

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I like Bernie but it definitely sucks that all the progressives have as presidential candidates are a 80 and a 72 year old. GOP already has DeSantis waiting in the wings and they seem to be content to bolster their numbers in the houses by filling them with young dickheads like Cawthorn.
 
Chikor

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danm999 said:
If I were thinking of running for Democratic nominee for 2024 or 2028 (whenever Biden retires), I'd probably be trying to become involved in the explosion of union activity in big companies occurring at the moment.

Might be a clue over the next few months and years about who is gunning up to run.
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do card check and be legends.

edit: but seriously this need to come back, that used to be a mainstream democratic promise and they just kinda forgot about it, it wasn't in the pro union bill that didn't pass iirc.
it makes it easier to form a union and harder to do union busting. just do it.
 
shaneo632

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I like Bernie's politics but we desperately need less dinosaurs running for office. Give me someone in their 40s or 50s I'm begging you.
 
Afrikan

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Sword Familiar said:
I'm not from the US, but I feel like the "Bernie is too old" crowd just wants some kind of excuse not to vote for him when the underlying reasons are not at all about his age.
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They used the "old white man" excuse the previous two elections....but they chose the other "old white guy" because he catered to their feelings...like any established politician would do. Even though that guy, and his choice for VP, have not been consistent with their views/messages.

Like I said before I'm not tripping anymore... I have my health coverage through my City position... I've paid off my student loans....... if folks want to continue to vote against their interests just because of age, race, or gender.... too bad for them... good luck with everything.
 
loco

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Save us Bernie from this dumpster fire. Dispose of the Wallstreet thieves and nuke out student debt!
 
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