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Washington Post: Bernie Sanders ‘has not ruled out another run’ for president if Biden doesn’t in 2024
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I suspect the vast majority of Sanders supporters today did not know who he was until 2015.
There are very good reasons for Sanders to retire from presidential politics (whether he should continue in the Senate is another matter) and from being the banner carrier for the leftist movement in the US. I suspect that someone else can come in and fill in the vacuum should he step aside.
There are very good reasons for Sanders to retire from presidential politics (whether he should continue in the Senate is another matter) and from being the banner carrier for the leftist movement in the US. I suspect that someone else can come in and fill in the vacuum should he step aside.
I respect Bernie a lot but I just don't think it's in the cards for him anymore. If Manchin and Sinema are giving Biden this hard of a time then I imagine it would be even worse if Bernie got the presidency, he would probably face more opposition from moderate dems. Also, the guy is old, not saying he is unfit or anything, but folks on both the left and the right are giving Biden shit for his age, it's going to be a concern for him. He didn't run a very good campaign in 2020 either, trying to primary Biden will be difficult.
We really need to start getting younger progressives into office, although I still think Bernie can do good in the Senate.
We really need to start getting younger progressives into office, although I still think Bernie can do good in the Senate.
Yeah we really don't need to do another Ross Perot if Trump is on the ballot
However if it's just for the democratic nomination that's fine, let him keep pushing his agenda
However if it's just for the democratic nomination that's fine, let him keep pushing his agenda
He gets less done than Biden did because moderate Senators have an excuse to push for less spending in the recovery bill, because it's socialist Bernie's bill, not good ole Joe's, and the withdrawl from Afghanistan is even more unpopular because it's the left winger who honeymooned in the USSR who turned his back on the troops by making them surrender, etc.
Ironically, because the recovery bill is smaller, there's probably less inflation and more unemployment, and Bernie's approval is likely the same or even lower than Biden, plus there are current Biden officials who can't get confirmed in a Bernie Admin because they're left-wingers being nominated by the Vermont socialist.
Yes, I know the pushback is Bernie would go to West Virginia and convince all those West Virginians to tell Manchin to vote for bill x, but that's now how politics works out of the movies. It's ironic so many left-wingers dislike Aaron Sorkin, because they both have this weird view of the world that some great speeches can reverse years of education polarization and stop people from listening to the right-wing media ecosystem they're ensconced in.
I would've happily voted for Bernie, but this view that he would've somehow managed to get more done than Biden or any other Democrat w/ the same Congress is a fallacy, unless you're using the even worse idea that Bernie would magically win a bigger election victory than Biden.
For me, it's more about his ideas being at the forefront of people's minds. Have more conversations about them. Actually educate people on what things like universal healthcare can actually do for this country. Those conversations need to stay on the airwaves 24/7.
Of course his policies wouldn't go through today, but enough exposure to them could make this country do more sooner rather than later.
It must be a fucking luxury for some that because their preferred canditate is not on the ticket, they will just take their ball and go home.
Bernie's central failure as a two-time primary candidate was precisely him surrounding himself with favoritists and yes men, and not...you know, good folks able to run functional campaigns and challenge Bernie on modulating his message.
After reading the autopsies on how how his last campaign fell apart, it's frankly concerning to me that people still resort to believing that Bernie didn't fail, but was failed by a system/party that just didn't want him.
I think good chance it would have been worse on some fronts, because a Sanders (or Warren for that matter) presidency would be actively sabotaged by the conservative wing of the Democratic party.
People like Manchin and Sinema are fucking Biden's agenda, but they are just being bribed to do that, they aren't ideologically committed to seeing Biden presidency go down in history as a failure,
If you actually get a progressive to win the presidency, a whole lot of money and political power will be dedicated toward showing Americans this cannot and will not work, and I'd imagine they will succeed to a pretty large degree, at least if there is no structural political support that can match them (and there currently aren't really).
No I agree he absolutely failed there too. It's why this whole run is pointless.
What I mean is that the Bernie that couldn't manage to secure a victory of the primary definitely won't manage any of it as President
It would require a tour de force of a team and leader. Or at least the art of the deal. And as with many progressives now; well, he turned out to be a paper tiger
IF Biden doesn't run... why not?
it takes a powerful establishment entity like Clinton or a shitlib Voltron with Obama's VP as a head to stop him
I don't see anybody with enough moderate legacy star power left (to coalesce around) to stop him this time.
it takes a powerful establishment entity like Clinton or a shitlib Voltron with Obama's VP as a head to stop him
I don't see anybody with enough moderate legacy star power left (to coalesce around) to stop him this time.
Ok, I get that we can't just endorse anyone cause "the republicans", but they will vote anyone cause the democrats. And old white man is not the hill I think is important enough that it is worth letting them get more control of the country. It's not like a lot of damage hasn't already been done cause of the attitude of I didn't get my candidate so fuck voting with now the supreme court stacked in the fascist's favor and them in states doing even more harm to making sure it is even harder for the other side to win even if they have a majority.
I'd wait until the candidate was actually horrible and not in the same catagory as some horrible picks before I go on that hill.
A giant chunk of his supporters don't even acknowledge that he lost the 2016 contest because almost four million more voters turned out for Hillary, and instead blame it on a bunch of F-tier conspiracy theories about coin tosses and superdelegates. He ran a worse version of the same strategy in 2020 when there wasn't a giant anti-establishment wind to his back and then lost by over twice the margin.
There's still a bunch of people in this thread that have a bunch of fucked up mental math where Warren's 10% take on Super Tuesday was enough to change the outcome of the race, despite those final holdouts barely having more of a Bernie tilt to them. The numbers just don't remotely make sense, but the bubble is too extreme for people to penetrate it with fundamental primary math.
Plenty of blame to go around, but I'll always have enough to toss some at the people who've resolved to do nothing
There is no place for him to run. He's not winning a primary, having one would only hurt Biden for the general, and as a third party candidate he would only guarantee a GOP win.
And Bernie knows this, so it's not happening.
And Bernie knows this, so it's not happening.
I mean, we've had two primaries now that demonstrate Democrats in general don't want Bernie running things either.
It's just like anything else now, the old people won't let go until they actually die and leave a bunch of people with no experience behind the wheel because they spent way to long in the chair.
Who, in your view, are the Democratic top brass, and what mechanism do they have to steering the primary?
He lost by 4 million voters in 2016 and would have lost the second time my 11 or 12 if he hadn't dropped out when he did.
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I guess at this point I just don't care about how he lost.
If God himself smote down your campaign twice over and you're running a third one I better hear a 6 point plan on how you're going to beat God.
If you don't have one? Okay get lost
If you lost because of your own flaws? Same thing
Of course this assumes belief that Bernie ever really intended to win
If God himself smote down your campaign twice over and you're running a third one I better hear a 6 point plan on how you're going to beat God.
If you don't have one? Okay get lost
If you lost because of your own flaws? Same thing
Of course this assumes belief that Bernie ever really intended to win
He lost because less people voted for him. That is what is all comes down to.
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why is this happeninghere he is pouring all of his campaign promises
It started when people gaslighted themselves into believing he's a tech billionaire.
Everything about this shit was absurd.
I wish Ro Khanna was a bit more well known, guy would get my vote in a heartbeat if he ran.
I wonder how Indian would poll in rural areas. I just think too many parts of this country are too racist for a black (or Latino) president again but for some reason Asian and Indian have this weird middle ground
Well, there was Bobby Jindal as governor of Louisiana, though he was a conservative running in a conservative state.
TBH I think being a rep from SF does far more to poison him to conservative middle america than him being Indian.