They crossed over 4 billion from ticket sales alone for movies over a year ago so everything else going forward is gravy. It was probably the best financial deal Disney ever did.
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Was the whole Disney-Star wars deal worth it?
- Thread starter MillionIII
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Anyway, yes. The answer is of course yes.
The Force Awakens revitalized Star Wars and introduced us to great new characters.
Rogue One was great and even Solo was really fun, though not without issues.
The Last Jedi is amazing and stands alongside Empire Strikes Back as the best of the franchise, perhaps even better if I put aside nostalgia.
The Force Awakens revitalized Star Wars and introduced us to great new characters.
Rogue One was great and even Solo was really fun, though not without issues.
The Last Jedi is amazing and stands alongside Empire Strikes Back as the best of the franchise, perhaps even better if I put aside nostalgia.
I haven't been excited for a new TV series as I am for the Mandalorian in a really long time, so it's worth it for me.
JJ abrams made the first movie too safe
Rian Johnson stripped the soul out of what makes Star Wars special
JJ Abrams is coming back I hope to glue the franchise back again I hope .
They should have gone with a villenueve or Spielberg or Lucas himself with a competent script
Rian Johnson stripped the soul out of what makes Star Wars special
JJ Abrams is coming back I hope to glue the franchise back again I hope .
They should have gone with a villenueve or Spielberg or Lucas himself with a competent script
By what metric is Kennedy not competent?
Before she took the helm at Lucasfilm she possessed probably the most impressive resume of any living producer on the planet and was picked by George Lucas personally as his successor.
Since taking over she's produced four SW films and while Solo underperformed, the other three all made BILLIONS and enjoyed widespread critical praise.
I would have preferred to have Lucas make them. Even if it sucked there would have been a consistent vision and a more perceptible arc to the trilogy
I think it's a bit early to measure the backlash and fan alienation that resulted from TLJ, but this should have been a slam dunk. It wouldn't have been hard to make a crowd pleasing movie that didn't piss off a huge chunk of people, and they didnt' manage to do it. Someone in charge needed to tell Rian Johnson "no.. stop" and no one did
$4B in Ticket sales is not $4B in profit. After accounting for production costs, marketing and the theater take, they have likely made less than $2B in profit. TFA was probably ~$1B in profit. Rogue One and TLJ ~$0.5B in profit each and Solo was possibly even a loss. They are still no where near profitability on the movies alone.
Just reducing those yt videos to the pink hair outrage isn't helping the discussion at all.
I've watched one of those videos a year ago and the guy was talking about space-ships all of a sudden being used as light-speed weapons...I went WTF? You can accept maybe one or two "unbelievable things" per movie, like Rey finding the M-Falcon, flying off that planet and stumbling into Han Solo, but there's a point when it all falls apart.
If you break the rules of an established fictional universe with one movie, it's ok, if you don't care, but respect those who do.
You mean the film that generated 1.3 billion worldwide and got some of the best reviews of any film that year?
Some of you need to realize your own dislike of something doesn't make it universal or widespread.
Oh, and Episode 9 is going to do very well, despite all this 'backlash' talk.
Because when they try something new, like TLJ, fanboys cry foul and piss themselves
No your right for alot of people. They loved star wars as a kid but grew attached to it, but there more in love with the memories and nostalgia and dont actually know what they want from star wars, and so anything that doesnt meet there unrealistic expectations is bad.
Force awakens too them was too safe, TLJ was too MUCH change according to them. They dont know what they want from star wars, and also dont realise that star wars is a billion dollar franchise and isnt just made for them.
Throw in the usual alt right stuff and its awful.
For me though i love the content and the canon wipe. I enjoy the books, comics, the movie and hopefully the new clone wars stuff is good
The only dissapointment is the games, but thats mainly EA
They've made copious profits on all the films except (probably) Solo.
Also, that box office take doesn't account for merchandising, video sales, etc.
TLJ was a massive hit at the box office and one of the best reviewed movies of 2017.
It did not "piss off a huge chunk of people." It pissed off a small minority of Star Wars "fans" online.
There was no reason to tell Rian, "No, stop." In fact, they loved what he did so much, they gave him his own trilogy.
TLJ was just new for the sake of being new and it executed everything awfully. Canto Blight, the Hyperspace bomb, killing of any sense of mystery regarding Ren's mentor, turning Luke into some depressed hermit, and so on. It's does that so awfully. It was an entertaining movie, but it didn't really make me excited for the last movie of this series.
There's novelty and then there's solid writing and execution. I really hate that they turned Finn into some Eddie Murphy comic relief character as well. He had so much promise in TFA. Even Kylo, who was very interesting in TFA, was kinda neutered. He's just a generic bad guy now. What are his motivations?
not sure why tfa is a yeah sure. it was just a reimagining of ep4
See but i think the opposite.
I enjoyed canto blight, seeing the rich and upper class of star wars universe instead of the usual gangsta filled hutt locations and the inner workings of people supplying weapons to both sides. It was a fun little detour both visually and character wise for me, and whilst yes had very little relation to the main plot, i think it will add something for episode 9 (which i think its unfair to judge TLJ on its own, its a trilogy after all. Empire strikes back also doesnt add too much).
Snoke was always dumb, and again was JJ just simply going 'i need a new emperor' and slapping in someone random. Luke was great characterisation and made sense to me as a human character, espcially one that didnt really get trained as a traditional jedi (and the whole addition of grey jedi and Kreia KOTOR teachings into the main films) . Again i dont understand what people wanted, because i know people would have complained if he came as a CGI mark hamill spinning and wrecking shit. What kind of dull, fan servicy character did people expect?
Nah there are plenty of valid criticisms to be levied at TLJ that don't apply to TFA. Mainly the structure and execution of the "extended chase scene" setting for the film. TFA was structured pretty much like ANH. TLJ was trying to be a "romp" or something and parts of it seemed ridiculous because of it. I thoroughly enjoyed TFA. Went to see it twice in theaters. Loved Fin, Rey, and all the other newcomers. Then I couldn't stop laughing and pointing in the theater during TLJ. It was such a silly jaunty ride with so many subversions and goofball segments. So no, we don't all have to be monolithic SW fans. Some of us like TFA and dislike TLJ. Heck I love TPM and hate Clone wars and RoTS with a passion.
Yeah, this is me. I love TFA and didn't enjoy TLJ. I can watch TFA yearly. While TLJ will probably never be rewatched lol.
It's just an oddball entry and has no consistency with the character and themes in TFA.
It feels like this thread largely (with some exceptions) comes to down to a split between folks who only really view the franchise as "the films" and nothing else, and people who not only see the films but watch the shows and read the books.
For the latter, it's worked out great, because even if the films aren't your thing, there's still shows like Rebels and the forthcoming Mandalorian, the various comics like Darth Vader and Doctor Aphra, the novels, etc. On the whole, it feels like there's a lot more diverse, quality stuff than there was pre-buyout.
The only part where the media push has fallen short is with the games, but hey, maybe Fallen Order will be good?
Also, reminder to the thread that at one point, Lucas was considering selling the franchise to Comcast. Comcast.
For the latter, it's worked out great, because even if the films aren't your thing, there's still shows like Rebels and the forthcoming Mandalorian, the various comics like Darth Vader and Doctor Aphra, the novels, etc. On the whole, it feels like there's a lot more diverse, quality stuff than there was pre-buyout.
The only part where the media push has fallen short is with the games, but hey, maybe Fallen Order will be good?
Also, reminder to the thread that at one point, Lucas was considering selling the franchise to Comcast. Comcast.
I wish we had gotten George's vision for the ST, which sounded very interesting, but there have been plenty of good things to come out of the franchise post-Disney:
Rebels
Rogue One
TLJ
Solo
Both Vader comic series
Doctor Aphra
Clone Wars season 7
The Mandalorian and Cassian shows sound promising
Etc.
So on the whole, yes it's been worth it. I just want the new EU to start building up the ST era properly since that's the low point right now.
Rebels
Rogue One
TLJ
Solo
Both Vader comic series
Doctor Aphra
Clone Wars season 7
The Mandalorian and Cassian shows sound promising
Etc.
So on the whole, yes it's been worth it. I just want the new EU to start building up the ST era properly since that's the low point right now.
TLJ was cool, but it was held back by being the sequel to Abrams' nostalgia fest.
There's much more lacking in the prequel trilogy than just the terrible dialogue in my opinion. The world in the prequel trilogy is pretty incongruous with the world presented in the original trilogy. It takes interesting aspects of the world like the Jedi, the clone wars, and the republic and portrays them in an incredibly bland way that subtracts greatly from the universe and creates a real dissonance between the ideas present in the original and prequel trilogy. The prequel trilogy, to me, even having grown up with the films, doesn't feel like Star Wars at all.
I absolutely agree with the bolded, Star Wars would be very different in their absence and in my opinion it would have been much improved; there's little of worth introduced in the prequel trilogy and most of what was introduced is soulless and made to sell products rather than being anything with actual passion behind it.
Totally worth it.
Star Wars is much better without Lucas.
Solo was the only dropoff from the other movies, but it still wasn't as bad as the Lucas Prequels.
Star Wars is much better without Lucas.
Solo was the only dropoff from the other movies, but it still wasn't as bad as the Lucas Prequels.
Yeah, I am sure they have made a lot off of those as well. The point is it is very unlikely that Disney has broke even on the Lucasfilm acquisition to date.
It's funny. While the movies have been a mixed bag for me, I can appreciate that Rian made the film he wanted and tried something different.
And for Disney between Star Wars and Marvel they gotta be real pleased with those acquisitions.
And for Disney between Star Wars and Marvel they gotta be real pleased with those acquisitions.
Star Wars merchandise is a multi billion dollar business on its own. Star Wars merchandise has always been the main money maker for Lucasfilm, not the movies. Not even just talking about toys here. Mugs, t shirts, kids backpacks, bedsheets, video game licenses, it goes on and on.
Galaxy's Edge alone is going to make them sooooooo much money for decades to come too.
It didn't really feel like it did much new. Finn's side story was a generic 'rich people run this world' which was kind of a given anyway, despite it not being a father/son story there's a level of parallels there between Kylo/Rey and Vader/Luke. The most deviation I could really find was the idea that everyone can use the force which kind of felt pretty stereotypical for stories with a mysterious power source to tap into.
I enjoyed the film still, but I didn't really feel like it tried to do much that was new. I mean the whole scene with the chain of Reys only seemed to be there as some sort of repeat of Luke in the tree.
Given how broad SW merchandising is, I wouldn't be so certain.
Companies tend to cut checks - big checks - just to use the likeness or logos from the franchise and there is SW merchandise coming in from all corners of globe.
Disney Star Wars >= OG Star Wars >>>>>>>>>>>Prequel Star Wars
Seriously if you rewatch the original trilogy they had the same problems as the sequels. Some questionable dialogue, hammy acting, reused ideas...unlike the prequels though these are actually enjoyable films that are fun to watch. It will never stop being funny to me seeing people on the internet try to pretend they actually enjoy the prequels. Disney is probably the only company with the capital and creative teams to revive this franchise and I hope they keep it up.
Seriously if you rewatch the original trilogy they had the same problems as the sequels. Some questionable dialogue, hammy acting, reused ideas...unlike the prequels though these are actually enjoyable films that are fun to watch. It will never stop being funny to me seeing people on the internet try to pretend they actually enjoy the prequels. Disney is probably the only company with the capital and creative teams to revive this franchise and I hope they keep it up.
Some of the things I laughed at:
- Leia flying through space and then using the force to magic her way back to the airlock
- When Rose crashes into Finn's ship intentionally
- When Luke Skywalker faded into the suns
- When Snoke got lightsabered after a monologue.
- When they dipped out to the casino and rode a bunch of racing aliens out
- Every time I saw the entirety of Snoke's fleet slow chasing the rebels at sunlight speeds together, in formation. Just sticking together and not sending anyone ahead at warp speed while the big ships keep up the chase. Lol it's so silly
This is a really dumb fucking take.
Hoth 2.0, Ghost Mentor Convinces Mentor to Train Student, Pointless Prequel Planet, Betrayed by a Fast Talking Swindler, Crazy Mentor, Student Running Off to Face Enemy Unprepared, Rebels on the Run, Student Faces Darkside in a Cave....
TLJ was just ESB for people who hate themselves.
It was better in ESB. In virtually every way. Better script. Better direction. Better acting.
It's just an all around superior film.
Exactly. Disney is laughing all the way to the bank on their Star Wars acquisition. Plus going forward with Galaxy's Edge, future movies, live action and animated shows, games, merchandise, etc they would definitely say it's worth it. They purchased the property for the long term and have already made back their investment. I don't know how anyone can't see that.
Bingo, I'll add in that Solo was a travesty while Rogue One was awesome. Kathleen Kennedy has more SW misses than hits and Disney doesn't seem to care that real damage is being done to the franchise.