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Was Lusamine a good villain in Pokemon Sun and Moon?
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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The whole animal abuse and child abuse part should not be attractive to anyone.
I think everyone felt the same way when the game first leaked. Funny to look back on.
I've heard her villainous behavior was neutered significantly in USUM, but I haven't made it past the second trial in UM (got really bored with how similar it was to Sun), so I can't really speak to whether that's true or not.
In Sun, she's despicable. One of the first villains who I felt really earned her villainous status in the series. Her evil affected both of her children, as well as the innumerable Pokemon used by the Aether Foundation. Gladion and Lillie are by no means supremely well written characters, but there is a distressing degree of believability regarding the abuse Lusamine inflicted on her children.
In Sun, she's despicable. One of the first villains who I felt really earned her villainous status in the series. Her evil affected both of her children, as well as the innumerable Pokemon used by the Aether Foundation. Gladion and Lillie are by no means supremely well written characters, but there is a distressing degree of believability regarding the abuse Lusamine inflicted on her children.
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Best thing about Lusamine is the complete 180 they did with her portrayal in the anime:
....they made her good?
kinda yea. She actually fights everyone as the space jellyfish in the tv show
She's basically what she would have been if she never became obsessed with Ultra Beasts
How is this a good thing? They basically made a different character then
I mean, woulda lusamine work as she was in SM. Cause you move from her limited capacity role in the games, and she's really kinda stupid.
In Su/Mo, yes, at least in the sense that she provided good motivation for the player to stop her. Her evil is pretty repulsive and directly affects characters close to the player in the story, and the way she expressed her obsessions made it clear why the player needed to stop her. She is pretty single-minded and outlandish, but she still works rather well as a Pokemon villain (though not quite as good overall as N and Ghetsis were in B/W).
I don't know if you've noticed but that's standard for the anime
it's good if you don't care for the tone of the original being so dour. Lillie was also more of a character in the anime, actually getting to be a trainer instead of just promising to be one.
That's why it only works for the anime which has a different setup
I don't know if you've noticed but that's standard for the anime :P
The fact that you didn't actually fight the transformed Lusamine directly after you defeated her last Pokemon completely ruined the entire impact of that story. I was already worried when she threw a Pokeball in the first place. It was so good up to that point, too.
Didn't her husband escape into an alternate dimension and abandon his family to get away from her?
No damn way, those two characters aren't half as deep or impactful as Lusamine
There's like 2 pokemon villains that can't be described by this.
True, but then you walk into her room and she has a collection of frozen Pokemon on display like a bond villain.
Could be worse, like Lysandre, that no one even remembers what he actually wanted or any of his character quirks...
Hope one day Gamefreak writes better characters, most are forgettable trash.
She was a bad villain in Ultra Moon, but based on what folks said she was even worse in Sun/Moon lol
No. She had potential but was utilized in the cheapest, least interesting way possible which seems to be GameFreak's MO when it comes to all stories. I still think Pokemon has never had a good story and the more effort they put into it the worse the franchise gets. Black/White did not have good narratives. They had "Good for Pokemon" narratives, which is to say still scraping the bottom of the barrel in context of all narratives.
Sun/Moon was executed so poorly on such a grand scale story-wise that it would take severe re-writing to make anything good of it.
Sun/Moon was executed so poorly on such a grand scale story-wise that it would take severe re-writing to make anything good of it.
She was a notch above what I expect out of pokemon villains. Or character relationships in pokemon games at all, honestly. Her dressing her daughter to resemble one of the Ultra Beasts which she really cared for and Lillie emancipating herself by picking her own clothing was a neat way to tell a basic story.
This take is not it.
N might be the only character in this entire franchise with true moral ambiguity. It's crazy how much depth he has considering he's a 2D Pokemon character.
No, he disappeared while experimenting on the Ultra Beasts, hence why Lusamine got obsessed with them. She tried her best to bring him back.
However, while doing so she lost track of the original goal and thus started to become the person she was in the game.
Also, while not explicitly said, I believe that the guy in charge of the Poképelago is her lost husband. The fact that he remembers nothing of his time before getting there only supports this theory in my eyes.
To bad we will never see Team Skull with Galarian Zigzacoon (spelt his name wrong) they were born to team up
It was explicitly confirmed in USUM and there's an extra cutscene where she finds out about him
Ah great, to know! Thanks for the Info
Haven't played the Ultra Versions, so I didn't knew.
Pokémon's best villain is Giovanni, but Sun & Moon Lusamine is second.
Ultra Sun & Moon Lusamine is awful beyond reproach. Can't get over how bad they butchered Sun & Moon's story.
I will gladly die on both of these hills.
Ultra Sun & Moon Lusamine is awful beyond reproach. Can't get over how bad they butchered Sun & Moon's story.
I will gladly die on both of these hills.
I love Lusamine. Awakened some interesting feelings in me as well.
Still disappointed we didn't fight her monster form at the end. I never felt so blueballed.
Still disappointed we didn't fight her monster form at the end. I never felt so blueballed.