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Warren drops out of Democratic Primary
- Thread starter Mr.Awesome
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This is just as ridiculous and fucking stupid as when people were saying Trump was running as a secret Democrat.
Bernie is going to lose the primary. What is worth more to her goals of progressive policies, endorsing Bernie for "online cred", or endorsing Biden and having influence over his cabinet picks if he wins?
She can strongly dislike Biden but also engage in a transaction with him, if she thinks he's: going to win, and is going to offer something that Sanders can't or won't. Is she going to advance her policy by endorsing a primary campaign that underperforms and loses?
Or is she going to advance more of her wishes by yanking Biden a little close to her? So what if they don't like each other? Winning political teams are usually riven with rivalries. And it isn't like her relationship with Sanders isn't under strain too.
And... wait. Why is it her job, her expectation, that she must save him? She doesn't have to save him. She doesn't have to save anybody if she doesn't want to, honestly. Bernie can earn it instead of the toxic component of his base demanding it.
Or is she going to advance more of her wishes by yanking Biden a little close to her? So what if they don't like each other? Winning political teams are usually riven with rivalries. And it isn't like her relationship with Sanders isn't under strain too.
And... wait. Why is it her job, her expectation, that she must save him? She doesn't have to save him. She doesn't have to save anybody if she doesn't want to, honestly. Bernie can earn it instead of the toxic component of his base demanding it.
Reading this thread, nope. People are as stupid as in 2016 when everyone was chanting queen.
as someone who has never once had a mean word to say about elizBeth warren i hope she endorses bernie
Yep. In the end, that's what it comes down to. She either sticks to her beliefs and what she's fought for for years, or she doesn't. Sad at this point that we're still wondering what that outcome will be.
A reminder to pls vote in November because regardless of how you feel about the primaries, Biden or Sanders, you'll help things more than that dude in the Twitter quotebox
Calling the race right now after everything we've seen happen is foolish. 2/3rds of the electorate remain. Like I said, it's going to be a struggle for Sanders after ST, but he still has a chance. Biden is not a stable candidate. He's done almost nothing and had people around him prop him up. Warren endorsing Bernie could have a positive impact right now.
Why are we pretending like we're already in the general election? That's what the primary is for.. endorsing who you want to win, who is in the race, has been winning states and still has a chance.
Endorse/support Biden after the primary.
dunno how old she is, but she didn't join the democrat party until her late 40s.
He managed to keep his entire caucus together on a doomed-to-fail impeachment vote. If you don't think that was hard, you don't know much about the dynamics of the job.
I see we're back to 2016 all over again...
Shame on people who actually wants progress, how dare they be so mean
Anyway, i really hope she endorse sanders, the policies she believes in won't get far with a biden presidency imo... Plus he has no chance to win against Trump, anyone believing the opposite are fooling themselves! Bernie doesn't have big chances either for sure, but from what the polls suggests they're higher than biden
Shame on people who actually wants progress, how dare they be so mean
Anyway, i really hope she endorse sanders, the policies she believes in won't get far with a biden presidency imo... Plus he has no chance to win against Trump, anyone believing the opposite are fooling themselves! Bernie doesn't have big chances either for sure, but from what the polls suggests they're higher than biden
I wish Bernie supporters would be a little more pragmatic about the rest of the year. Only way ANY progress is gonna happen is by rallying around the eventual nominee and helping get democrats in down ballot and taking back the senate (or at very least, keeping house and taking the presidency and ensuring SCOTUS doesn't go 7-2)...
After reading most of this thread...
Do people actually believe Joe Biden has any chance against Trump?
His track record is a mess and he has so many skeletons in the basement, Trump and the GOP will have a field day with him.
I really can't see it, sorry.
Do people actually believe Joe Biden has any chance against Trump?
His track record is a mess and he has so many skeletons in the basement, Trump and the GOP will have a field day with him.
I really can't see it, sorry.
Did you see those numbers in Florida? That's with Bloomberg still in the poll.
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Wouldn't want both of them out of the Senate. We need more like them to break check CEOs, banks, and such.
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Incrementalism! Crumbs sprinkled out for us in the apportioned amount decided by our candidates beneficiaries, the healthcare lobbyists that own them.
Things will change but only enough to make the masses shut up a little bit.
you mean people should be calling out those who are expecting her to stand by her ideals and support Bernie instead of being a former republican rolling right for Biden and showing that she used progressive policies as a way to seek power?
EXCUSE ME. But somebody tweeted a chapo meme at me and now I vehemently am against medicare for all.
...the woman that basically created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau doesn't believe in fighting banks.
I hope she endorses Bernie...but my gut says she'll go for Biden, if Biden agrees to inch a bit further left once he's the confirmed nominee. I wouldn't begrudge her for that. The best politicians know when to be pragmatic, but I still hope she backs Bernie and keeps him in the game.
I've heard more Bernie bros say they'll not vote or vote for trump so I don't know what you're on about.
They shouldn't be, considering Bidens going to win the nomination. He was ALWAYS going to win the nomination. But I know we have to do this dance in the interim. But yeah, folks are mostly going to come home and vote out Trump this year, and since Biden will be the nom.... well there you go.
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There's a reason most Republicans are desperate to face Sanders.
It's a mess in the primary. Not so much in the general. He has a better chance of winning than Sanders does, and more importantly, has a better chance of winning and also flipping the Senate.
Half of what makes Sanders strong in the primary are weaknesses in the general.
Vs the man who got blown the fuck out on tuesday against a man who put in no effort and also failed to bring in the voters that he said he would? Yes I definitely want a real winner like Bernie on the ticket.
Mask off post.
Do you give a shit about getting progressive policy implemented or do you just want to put all your eggs in a losing basket?
Sanders can't win. And I hate to say it as she was my number one but we saw on ST that Warren is not as popular as I thought. Where's the data that endorsing Sanders helps him? Better to move Biden left and help shape progressive policy there than to tie herself to the zombie Sanders campaign.
Did you look at the ST numbers, Sanders's failure to turn out voters and the primary schedule, lol
I can see that. But Warren is so good working with the senate, she could get the votes for the Sanders administration. Which is exactly the kind of VP you'd want.
I'm saying that I don't see why it doesn't make sense. "Who would I vote for if, with my one vote, I could make this candidate president?" and "Who would I vote as the candidate, knowing that this candidate will go up against Trump?" are different questions. I can easily see reasonable people disagreeing on whether Sanders or Biden has the better chance of winning (or conversely, a better chance of losing), regardless of policy leanings.
Anyway, good luck, America. Gonna need a lot of it. (To be clear, I am not being sarcastic and mean this absolutely genuinely.)
can you clarify what you're implying? that they have more on sanders? or that they want sanders to win? or?
I think best choice has got to be continue to canvass for whoever you like best, and when the primaries end canvass at a larger scale for who wins.
Be a rebel in the streets but a Jedi in the sheets
No, Joe has no chance, he wont get anyone excited. Trump just has to say fuck the Mexicans and the whole gop will be out there in the polls
He's an old white dude that people like. Biden will be fine if he gets the nom.
What does she owe them exactly? Not an endorsement. If she believes, like many do, that Bernie cannot win then it doesn't make sense to back him.
She literally loses nothing if she endorses Bernie.
If Biden wins that's fine. I just want Warren to prove she's the progressive she says she is. If she endorses Biden, then it proves she's a strategic politician who may be thinking of the long game and doesn't really believe progressivism is in right now.
If she endorses Bernie then she proves she believes progressivism is now.
I stated opinions, I am not imposing them or telling anyone else what to think so please don't think I'm trying to debate right now. I'm not here to "win" anything.
He has no chance. And Warren endorsing Bernie could only splinter the party more.
I mean you can live in a fantasy world where Bernie somehow pulls out surprise victories in states where he was destroyed by Hillary and is currently WAY behind in against Biden (have you seen the Florida numbers?), or, you can sober up (as much as it sucks to not have your candidate win) and realize progress is only going to happen this cycle if we rally around the eventual nominee to win the White House, ensure SCOTUS doesn't fall to 7-2 for our lifetime, and making sure house and senate gets as much support as possible...
Bernie has very little to offer Warren. the sense I'm getting from reading this thread is that people seem to think political coalitions are built on who can be nicer to each other online. But this is weird and stupid. probably Warren expects a career or influence in the future from her endorsement and Biden looks likes like the most likely candidate who can offer her that.
Ah yes, a month before the democratic convention. When it was pretty clear, that Clinton was gonna take it.