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Warren calls Biden's denial of sexual assault claim 'credible' and 'convincing,' says she proudly supports him
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I will admit. I definitely crossed the line with the "fuck anyone who does" comment. I just don't understand how people can vote him given what he has done.
Seriously, look at how many people are dying due to the shitty Covid response, fuck us for trying to vote out the guy responsible, huh?
And to others who refuse to vote for him for a multitude of valid reasons, people voting for him is a 'fuck you' to them. This goes both ways. I don't even know why people need to be so toxic. "Oh but if you don't vote for him you're saying fuck you to minorities!" or "People voting for a rapist are gross". I've already gotten a ban because these discussions get so heated that people just attack each other (which I did), we should be done with this bullshit. Just vote for him or don't. Neither group has to say fuck you to the other. Both reasons are valid. Simple as that.
I'd love to understand how this is different from Kavanaugh. I did not see this type of belief in innocence then.
I lose my cool all the time. It's why I tend to rewrite some replies a fair few times. I would have been banned on here otherwise I'm sure. I get that tensions are high but I have to remind myself that 99% of the people on here want the same thing I do.
The thing that irritates me is that you think us 'socialists' don't want mostly the same things as you. I am more frustrated with American voters than most of you, who I'd assume didn't even support Biden as your top choice until the very end anyway.
I lose my cool all the time. It's why I tend to rewrite some replies a fair few times. I would have been banned on here otherwise I'm sure. I get that tensions are high but I have to remind myself that 99% of the people on here want the same thing I do.
The thing that irritates me is that you think us 'socialists' don't want mostly the same things as you. I am more frustrated with American voters than most of you, who I'd assume didn't even support Biden as your top choice until the very end anyway.
Because sadly, it has come to the point of survival instinct. When people litetally fear for their lives, they do whatever it is possible to protect themselves. In this case, it is getting Trump and republicans out.
Because maybe most voting don't want their rights spat on for another 4 years nor do they want a fucking destructive idiot running one of the most powerful countries in the world?
Very, very disappointing. She was my first pick, but both her and Sanders have really shown their asses here by shielding Biden. I've just been so disappointed, sad, and feeling defeated seeing all these people I respect defend and endorse a credibly accused rapist. I absolutely believe Reade, and I'm so fucking exhausted. I can't believe everyone is just okay with this.
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I will admit to being biased, but for the past couple of months I've been seeing a *lot* more hostility and shaming from one side than the other. Even before the rape accusations came out.
This is the only forum I would consider myself to be part of a community, so it's very alienating to repeatedly see hostility like that either directly or indirectly directed at me when I myself feel I've personally gone to great lengths to explain my own position on the matter and been very careful not to fall into the game of trying to shame others into compliance in the other direction.
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It angers me so much that Warren went to such efforts to smear Bernie, and then when faced with credible claims of sexual assault she bends the knee instantly. I feel terrible for all the women Biden has victimized, and other survivors who're bearing witness to liberals rallying behind a rapist. It all makes my blood boil.
The first time I was technically able to vote was 2008, and I sat it out because of the actions of the country over the previous 7 years and the general feeling of basically fuck whatever happens. After seeing the results of 2010 and the AstroTurfing campaign by the right of this country I went and registered to vote in 2012 because in the end we do have a loaded gun to our heads in the form of the GOP. The way that this country is structured it leaves us with only two options, and one is essentially suicide in the long run. By 2012 Obama already had blood on his hands, and the act of voting to reelect him made me share in the blame for any future deaths abroad. But the fact remains that another Republican administration would have continued those same policies, while at the same time making my life and those that I care about worse.
We aren't given ideal choices in this country, and most of the time the best thing we can do is damage mitigation. This year the consequences of sitting out the election are far more impactful than 2012, yet I am not going to talk down to survivors of sexual harassment or assault that for their own reasons can not bring themselves to vote. I'm not going to begrudge someone for doing the same thing that I did. All I can do is stress that accelerationism will not work with a second Trump term, and as bad as this country can be things can and will get worse.
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And San Lorenzo is very close to where the hurricane entered.
I was in the northwestern tip of the island, which is about as far away from the hurricane that you could be, and it was *still* an absolute nightmare to live through--the months that followed even worse.
Can't imagine what folks in the southeast went through.
Because I don't want Trump to continue killing people that look like me. I don't want a fucking supreme court that's lost for the next 2 generations that will strip away the few remaining rights minorities, LGBTQ+ people and women have that Republicans have chipped away at over the past decades...
Minorities and subjugated communities do not have the fucking privilege to sit this shit out and continue dying and suffering at the hands of this administration.
How is this hard to understand? Biden is far from an ideal choice but some of us literally have no choice.
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I'm also biased and I also see the same thing but from the other perspective. Not to pull a "both sides" but tensions are definitely high. I do feel betrayed I won't lie, but the petty fighting is super tiring. I've seen a lot of minimizing or outright denial happening on ERA (thankfully those people get banned, but it still happens in every thread) and it is gutting to read. I personally just want democrats to hear out Reade and treat the allegations against Biden with the same weight as they would for anyone else and I can see that it's not happening. I wish Biden could be replaced but I also know that won't happen and I'd still rather see him become the president than Trump of course.
Always eye opening how many people, who I guess, are not negatively effected by Trump and his administration and would rather do the thing that helps Republicans the most and not vote.
Just doesn't add up to me how people go scorched earth on Biden and anyone who defends him when the President has admitted on tape to assulting women. Regardless people focus too much on the President and not enough on their cabinets.
Just doesn't add up to me how people go scorched earth on Biden and anyone who defends him when the President has admitted on tape to assulting women. Regardless people focus too much on the President and not enough on their cabinets.
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Am I misremembering or did Reade's people reach out to campaigns earlier about these allegations, and did that include Warren's?
It did, Warren, Sanders, and Harris if I remember correctly
Ah yes, Trump has admitted to sexual assault so that clears up any and all concerns people including victims have about Biden
yea she outwardly didn't give two shits about what bloomberg had to say about it
Each person can make their own peace and it's fine if you don't vote for him. But me not wanting my neighbors to be deported or detained is what takes precedence. Also helps that it is currently just one incident from one person.
Edit: Accidentally outed myself as secretly Joe Biden.
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While I understand people's unhappiness I feel like some of you should realize this is how the game has always been played. The party comes together around the nominee as the election nears and this is in years without someone like Trump at the helm. Its how this all works and shouldn't be that surprising, even if you don't care for it.
I forgot it was about only voting for the best possible person and not their progressive policies that will save people's lives.
You used Trumps record with sexual assault as a reason people should vote for Biden in a thread about Bidens accusation. Regardless of what Trump had done, people are still going to be uncomfortable voting for a rapist
Clearing the way for the alternative choice doesn't? Every voter in previous elections has been 100% comfortable with their options?
I'm not talking about the people who feel uncomfortable and are still voting I specifically said those who aren't voting because of the accusation.
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That's a lot of talk about the differences in the processes available to vet the accusations against each of these men, and little of substance to say about the credibility of the accusation itself. Doesn't really address the question of the person who you were replying to, regarding the presumption of guilt in the public sphere.
Tara Reade reached out to Warren and got a form letter in return.
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That's how you know he did it /s
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LOL, it's not a conspiracy theory you ding dong. It's a political fact. Literally everyone dropped out right before Super Tuesday and endorsed Biden except Warren, who literally didn't win shit and wasn't going to win shit. The polling was crystal clear.
Right before that South Carolina boost, Biden's campaign was dead in the water. If Warren really, really cared about the progressive movement and Medicare for All and all that shit, she would have dropped out when everyone else dropped out and endorsed Bernie. But she didn't, because she had no other point being in the race other than to block him and suck off progressive votes. Hence the snake emojis.
Uh, just Bernie becoming president wasn't going to make M4A a reality, you do know that?
Oh come the fuck on. Seriously? Why do people say stupid shit like this? It's on par with "the developers hate their audience". It's non sense. Half of you sound as crazy as the tea party, you're just on the left and it makes all of us progressives look like fucking morons. Knock that shit off.
"Credibly accused rapist"? How many people he is accused of raping? Genuine question here.
So the logic is...Warren didn't drop out in time, causing Bernie to lose. However, when she did drop out, an unknown amount (but certainly less than 60%) of her voters went to Bernie. Biden then proceeded to crush Bernie in the remaining states.
And these are somehow consistent statements to you.
Is that really your barometer here? So if someone wants to get away with rape, they just go for the one? How do you expect victims to ever actually stop being created with an attitude like that?
Just wanted to respond to the first part by saying as a socialist I actually find it kind of infuriating that there are so many casual socialists who are ready to take their ball and go home because the White House isn't in play for us anymore. The presidency would matter a lot less to the cause if people actually showed up to vote in every election for every position. I'm talking local all the way to federal. But people who can put in the work don't want to. And that actually ends up being relevant to situations like this, and how seriously our government takes accusations.
Biden made his defense against Reade and it hasn't been proven one way or another. Call the situation for what it is. A She said/He said. Nothing had been proven. Its just a serious allegation that gets investigated.
The question was what's the difference between the two and this interview actually does explore that question, including the response to the allegation from the Biden team which the president of the National Women's Law Center seemed to find positive.
It always comes down to making your presence known and getting involved in the process to have leverage, however distasteful that process might be to many of us. It's a cliche but the squeaky wheel does get the grease if that voter base makes itself known as active. For more radical change you need a sustained movement that can get asses in the seats of the House and Senate as well as the White House. With that even a moderate like Biden will pass whatever a progressive Congress sends his way, which is what we need. Which is why even if someone can't bring themselves to vote for Biden we all need to vote down ballot.
Low turn out and people being fucking lazy isn't a uniquely socialist problem though. Republicans and old people make sure they get out to vote, but democrats and young people are wishy washy as hell. If young adults were a reliable voting block our issues like student loan debt would have been taken more seriously years ago.
As far as the accusations go I think it would have tanked him early on in any normal pre-Trump world. But now people want something familiar and safe with covid19 causing people dropping like flies, the economy tanking and Trump being a total incompetent sociopath.
Exactly. And this is why she needs to stop thinking about her interests, and focus on making sure this gets a proper investigation, not just basically say, "I believe what he said."