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Protome

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,677
I'm all in favour of removing/discouraging negative comments but Nintendo actively encourages negative feedback with the Boo button already so it's pretty inconsistent.
 
Oct 28, 2017
16,773
I've never even booed a level let alone left a negative comment. There's no need. Just move on. I've put some constructive criticism in there before but even then I'm nice about it. Comments suck anyway the character limit is too small you can't give enough feedback with that limit. Plus they removed the screenshot attatched to your comment feature from Mario Maker 1 which is honestly my biggest step back from the first game.
 

Phellps

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,799
Yeah, sorry, but just saying "Pretty bad" is rude as fuck.
It doesn't matter how much effort was put into the level. You didn't like it, you move on. It's fucking Mario Maker, why is he so interested in showing people their levels are bad?
 

WhiteNovember

Member
Aug 15, 2018
2,192
Looks like the eramods getting some extra money for doing the same job for Nintendo and ban people for harmless things.
 

Maeros

Member
Dec 21, 2017
381
I think its fair to give a warning. A ban straight up would be bad. This is a game a lot of kids play and its just not neccesary to leave a negative feedback.
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
ERA just realized that Nintendo makes games for little kids...


Yet there is no report button on comments unlike Splatoon 2. This is something they should've learned from that team. I wouldn't report calling levels bad but there is now pornography in some of the comments.

Nice.

Nice Work.

I am done for.
 

Combo

Banned
Jan 8, 2019
2,437
The solution is to have an option to label a level as a child's creation.

But what if the level was made by a mentally ill or disabled person? There needs to be a way where we can criticize lazy people who upload bad levels without hurting kids and vulnerable people.
 

Andri

Member
Mar 20, 2018
6,017
Switzerland
Reminder that the community "guidelines" MS, Sony, Steam, Epic and Nintendo make you agree to when making an account allow them to ban you for any or no reason at all, with no warning or remediation.

The only thing that could hold them back is the Negative press they get for doing so, and the downside that a banned user no longer spends money in their ecosystem.
 

Musubi

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
23,611
Constructive criticism is good, but just outright negativity isn't.

I'm all for trying to reduce negativity, there is an overabundance of it everywhere.
The comments section of Mario Maker isn't exactly a grand avenue for proper constructive criticism.
 

Bedameister

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,942
Germany
Yeah I'm going to have to side with Nintendo on this one. Sure it's not abusive to call a level mediocre but MM2 is clearly meant to be a game for all ages to share their creations. You wouldn't call a 3 year old's drawing of a dog terrible when you know they've put effort in to a scrawl on paper. Same applies here, Mario Maker isn't the place to comment with critique, it's for encouragement and enjoying the game.
Yeah, that's how I feel, too.
 

Jobbs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,639
good on nintendo. saying something is "bad" doesn't accomplish anything that the "boo" button doesn't. If you want to write something, make it constructive and helpful.

if you just want to call stuff trash and bad and offer hot takes you can do that on era or other forums
 

Adulfzen

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,606
Might seem overzealous but purely negative comments truly add nothing, also as long as you receive a warning it truly doesn't seem like an issue.
Only "bad" people will be annoyed at this so called "issue".
 
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Lant_War

Lant_War

Classic Anus Game
The Fallen
Jul 14, 2018
23,541
good on nintendo. saying something is "bad" doesn't accomplish anything that the "boo" button doesn't. If you want to write something, make it constructive and helpful.

if you just want to call stuff trash and bad and offer hot takes you can do that on era or other forums
And I'd get them deleting the comment or even restricting their commenting abilities in Mario Maker 2, but to threaten with a ban of their whole account? That's beyond stupid.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,646
Good, you don't need to thumbs up the level or anything, if you don't like it move on.
 

justiceiro

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
6,664
Sounds like the dream of people who can't deal with toxicity online to me. Personally, I rather deal with it myself.
 

Jobbs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,639
And I'd get them deleting the comment or even restricting their commenting abilities in Mario Maker 2, but to threaten with a ban of their whole account? That's beyond stupid.

if he doesn't want to be banned he can just refrain from leaving negative comments? is someone forcing him to leave them?
 

matimeo

UI/UX Game Industry Veteran
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
979
And I'd get them deleting the comment or even restricting their commenting abilities in Mario Maker 2, but to threaten with a ban of their whole account? That's beyond stupid.

It's to get their attention. You have to take away something of value. Once you're proven to be a "bad actor" in one game the likelihood you are the same in other games is generally higher. Their messaging is we won't tolerate this on our platform not just this game.

They also have other data to go off. I'm sure they can see account history in other games as well.

It's just a risk mitigation strategy at that point, not to mention it's easier to massively restrict an account vs on a per game basis.
 
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Lant_War

Lant_War

Classic Anus Game
The Fallen
Jul 14, 2018
23,541
the user has a very easy solution here : not posting negative comments. What's the issue here ?
You're completely right about that, and I get Nintendo's position here. Threatening with a ban of your full acount because of a comment that says "pretty bad" is still funny.
 

Jobbs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,639
Dude literally just left a comment saying "pretty bad". Not even PSN is this anal about mean comments.

calling people bad isn't what comments are for on nintendo's service. there's absolutely no need for it. be constructive or just boo and move on. it's mario. hope he does get his account banned.

there's literally no purpose whatsoever to reaching outside of the "boo" button to go the extra mile to verbally call something bad. it accomplishes absolutely nothing and doesn't belong on that service. If you are so negative and angry as a person that you feel harmed by not being able to tell someone their creation is bad, I hope you do get banned
 

YesNoMaybeSo

Alt Account
Banned
Aug 10, 2019
67
PA, USA
"pretty bad" = "psychologically assaulting other users".

Psychological assault?? How do these people exist in this world? If this be the case, don't allow comments at all, because unless you're singing flowers and sunshine, you're gone. This is laughable.
 

softfocus

Member
Oct 30, 2017
903
In a way, I kinda agree that streamers or YouTube shouldn't post negative comments because all their fans will do the same which is pretty shitty to the creator. But if me a nobody joked after a kaizo block troll death "delete this level", that would be petty.
Context matters here as well, as a lot of level creators purposely troll and it's part of the fun to dunk on them with stuff like "hot garbo" etc.
 

Adulfzen

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,606
You're completely right about that, and I get Nintendo's position here. Threatening with a ban of your full acount because of a comment that says "pretty bad" is still funny.
Yeah like I said in my previous post, it's overzealous but at least they're being pretty clear.
What I'll admit though is that Nintendo just need to publish a set of clear guidelines for the Mario Maker 2 community wheter you're a maker or a player. The way they delete levels without even giving a clear reason is frankly ridiculous. Furthermore they should implement better reporting tools as well as an appeal process if your map has been deleted unfairly.
 

Deleted member 49535

User requested account closure
Banned
Nov 10, 2018
2,825
I'm all in favour of removing/discouraging negative comments but Nintendo actively encourages negative feedback with the Boo button already so it's pretty inconsistent.
It's pretty unnecessary. Good content will draw attention by the amount of positive votes, there's really no need to have that button.
 

TrueSloth

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,065
"Pretty bad" is pretty bad.
If you want to leave a negative review, offer more constructive criticism.
 
Feb 20, 2019
1,166
I remember someone leaving a comment with a drawing of a pile of shit on my level, like, 30 seconds after uploading it. I reported it ( of course ), but damn, it got deleted fast ( about 5 minutes after reporting it )
 
Feb 20, 2019
1,166
Honestly you can easily spot the difference between a stage made by a kid and a stage made by an ass. Levels made by kids usually are pretty bad in terms of visuals, but they are also pretty easy, while lazy levels usually have hidden stars, soft locks, Bowsers in clown cars, offscreen Thwomps, and of course the pick-the-right-pipe-or-else-you-are-screwed game
 

night814

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
15,034
Pennsylvania
I once was banned from Miiverse and forced to change my account description because I said "feel free to add me!" in said description.

Apparently saying that, on my profile that folks would have to go out of their way to read, was solicitation and against their ToS. I can't say I'm surprised this happened.
I got a warning for tracking my progress while playing Super Metroid because I wanted to be the first one to get to the end(and I do believe I was not that it means anything at all lol), and all my posts that had boss's in them like Kraid, Ridley and Mother Brain all got targeted for spoilers. I actually emailed them back and said most of the things I had pictures of were things that appeared in the game manual so I didn't think some were spoilers except Mother Brain. It was stupid and that's one of the last times I ever used MiiVerse.
 

H2intensity

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
921
Yeah like others says, many kids play mario maker and make they own levels so just give a boo if you don't like it and don't write anything that can demotivate kids more.
 

Isilia

Member
Mar 11, 2019
5,800
US: PA
I mean, it's hardly an insult, but the audience is young and "it's pretty bad" isn't really a constructive criticism.

It's not about fragility. It's about not being an ass.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,895
He shouldn't get a warning for that. Just delete it, make a note for future reports, and be done with it. Such a mild mannered comment doesn't justify being subject to a two strike system.

On another note, can you lock comments in Mario Maker through the Switch's parental controls? Seems like an oversight if you can't, if I were a parent I would probably want to make sure that none of my kids' levels had comments on. Considering how much Nintendo talks about their parental controls whenever lootboxes come up they should do a better job of making it fully featured
 

-shadow-

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,110
I've never even booed a level let alone left a negative comment. There's no need. Just move on. I've put some constructive criticism in there before but even then I'm nice about it. Comments suck anyway the character limit is too small you can't give enough feedback with that limit. Plus they removed the screenshot attatched to your comment feature from Mario Maker 1 which is honestly my biggest step back from the first game.
I've boo'd a ton of levels, the less people play some of those garbage creations the better. Sweet lord...
 

NHarmonic.

▲ Legend ▲
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,290
Boo the level and leave some constructive criticism instead.

Yeah. What's the point of putting "bad level"? That's what the boo button is for.

Instead try to help him make something better next time. Or is that too much to ask for these snarky youtubers?

I mean, what's more childish than telling a child "bad level". What do you hope to accomplish?
 

banter

Member
Jan 12, 2018
4,127
Yeah. What's the point of putting "bad level"? That's what the boo button is for.

Instead try to help him make something better next time. Or is that too much to ask for these snarky youtubers?

I mean, what's more childish than telling a child "bad level". What do you hope to accomplish?
I agree. Just think about if this is some little kid's level and he's getting a barrage of "you're level is bad" comments
This is where I'm at. Especially when levels like the one posted in the OP are typically made by small children.
exactly!
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DopeyFish

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,783
Yeah, i see nintendo's side on this. It's probably a level made by a child... what message are these reviews supposed to give a little kid? That they suck at this and shouldn't release levels?

If it's bad just ignore and move on... not everything needs to be critiqued