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Monopose is fine except for two things.
1. The shoulder pads in these starter kits are sctped in which is a pain. While the monopose single single units aren't.
2. They're annoying to see them duped up in starter sets, unless they're super hordey like gaunts.
Agreed as models? Perfection really.

As an army? 1500 points is getting super samy and bulky.
 

Drax

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Oct 25, 2017
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None of the 9th ed models have sculpted in shoulder pad logos. None of the 8th ed ones did either.

Dark imp and shadowspear models had shoulder pads affixed to arms, so if you wanted to use a veteran shoulder pads or a shoulder pad from one of the chapter upgrade packs you would have to get your knife and filer out.

It was especially an issue with Death Watch and Shadowspear (edit. they can't take any vanguard marines at all), or the ancient, and gravus captain from dark imp.
 
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Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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With the new Primaris models coming I've decided to switch from Ultramarines to Black Templars. To be perfectly honest I'm not sure why I wasn't just painting my favorite chapter all this time but those Bladegaurd Veterans are going to make great Sword Brethren.
 
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personally the judiar crossing hte line of AOS marine a bit to much. the stormcaste have a guy that has almost the same load out, looks almost the same
 
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Poodlestrike

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I dig the hell out of the Judicar. Also like the proposed lore somebody cooked up - they're there to kill hard targets at the behest of the chapter master and inspire other marines by doing it, so what they do is point at a guy, flip the hourglass, and kill them before it runs out, thus inspiring everyone in the vicinity.

Badass motherfucker with a broadsword going around calling shots. Tell me that's not dope.
 
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the assault ints have ( astartes chainswords)

so I hope all chainswords for astartes get buffed.

I had hoped the hourglass thing manipulated time, and thats why the target always fought last.
 

Kyari

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I just kind of assume they'll invent master-crafted versions of the chainsword for them.
 

Drax

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1. I'm not a fan of the head, but that's an easy head swap, saw mockups with the head being replaced by the emperor's champion helmet and I love it.
2. Not a fan of the hourglass, just comes off as grimdorky and too similar to the lord castellant from AoS. Where it makes a little more sense there to me tbh.
 

Kyari

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Whatever they do with them its going to be interesting to see how they compare to Reivers.

Either they make them a basic unit with heavy bolt pistols and regular chainswords and are forced to point them less than Reivers because they're functionally the same but aren't paying a point tax for access to two different Deep Strike options or the leadership debuff and people drop Reivers...

Or they give them some kind of new rules variation, be it a new chainsword rules or whatever and people drop Reivers...

Or they give them jump packs and people drop Reivers and/or vanilla assault marines.
 

Drax

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Whatever they do with them its going to be interesting to see how they compare to Reivers.

Either they make them a basic unit with heavy bolt pistols and regular chainswords and are forced to point them less than Reivers because they're functionally the same but aren't paying a point tax for access to two different Deep Strike options or the leadership debuff and people drop Reivers...

Or they give them some kind of new rules variation, be it a new chainsword rules or whatever and people drop Reivers...

Or they give them jump packs and people drop Reivers and/or vanilla assault marines.

Reivers weren't being used because they were elites and they're much better elite slots. I'm assuming these guys will be troops(yes they have close support/fast attack markings but Space Marines have been very weird with that right now with agressors/incursors/suppresors). Other big thing these potentially have over aggressors, is the sergeant and potential specialist weapon. Veteran Intercessors hit like a truck and be kitted with a thunder hammer, and if these troops get something like that they're better then reivers.

I don't think reivers are so much the issue as much as autobolt intercessors. I do want them to have jumppacks in the multipart kit, so it will be interesting to see if they get them there.
 
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Kyari

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Reivers weren't being used because they were elites and they're much better elite slots. I'm assuming these guys will be troops(yes they have close support/fast attack markings but Space Marines have been very weird with that right now with agressors/incursors/suppresors). Other big thing these potentially have over aggressors, is the sergeant and potential specialist weapon. Veteran Intercessors hit like a truck and be kitted with a thunder hammer, and if these troops get something like that they're better then reivers.

I don't think reivers are so much the issue as much as autobolt intercessors. I do want them to have jumppacks in the multipart kit, so it will be interesting to see if they get them there.

It would be super weird if primaris assault squads were a troop choice while vanilla marines were Elites though
 

Yrch

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Oct 29, 2017
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God I love the new Admech stuff.
I have tons of Skitarii and a few Crawlers still in sprues somewhere.
The flyer and cavlery dudes are so hard at being borderline stupid while looking great at the same time.
I mean cmon ist steampunk horseriders with laser revolvers...
 

Bizazedo

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Oct 28, 2017
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Has that officially leaked? I've seen people theorize, but it might be a new one too.

Or just a new "Transcendant" one as opposed to using the one from the Vault.
 
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Is it THE or just a shard, because I thought it was already known he was sharded too. Just his shards were fucking nuts and could go apeshit and obliterate whole star systems when they went out of control.
 
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I hope there are more plastic C'tans or this kit has bits for multiple different types, because the Finecast ones really need an update.
 

shazla

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Can you guys help me out [BLACK LIBRARY RELATED].

I kept up with the fluff upto 8th starting and the gathering storm series. and i'm looking to catch up with some good BL novels set during the period after or at Guillimans return.

I just finished the emperors legions, and that was such a great lore payoff in terms of all the detail and new info it offers up ( even if it assumes the reader knows a LOT of fluff). So looking for that sort of exposition level rather than marines cleansing a planet type stuff/
 

ShadowSwordmaster

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Can you guys help me out [BLACK LIBRARY RELATED].

I kept up with the fluff upto 8th starting and the gathering storm series. and i'm looking to catch up with some good BL novels set during the period after or at Guillimans return.

I just finished the emperors legions, and that was such a great lore payoff in terms of all the detail and new info it offers up ( even if it assumes the reader knows a LOT of fluff). So looking for that sort of exposition level rather than marines cleansing a planet type stuff/
Read Shadow of the Regent next.
The other books I would recommend are Dark Imperium, Plague Wars, and Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work. Dark Imperium and Plague Wars deal with Space Marines and Roboute a lot more.
 

questionmark

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Oct 25, 2017
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Love the judicar model (except for that thing he's holding in his left hand), but lore wise I don't see a great fit for the sm aside from Black Templars or other similar chapters.
 

Keasar

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BRO TRIIIIIP!

And on another note, Holy Emperor's balls on a shitstick those uniforms are actually real!?
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Jopall Indentured Squadrons

"I find your military code revolting, your devotion to the Emperor insufficient and your combat morale non-existent, but the accuracy of your marksmen, sir, is the finest I have seen this side of the Galaxy!" — Captain Kotski of the Death Korps of Krieg addressing Marshall Traeg of the 96th...
WHY ARE THEY REAL!?
 

Yrch

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Oct 29, 2017
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There is a Q&A in a few hour (7pm UK time I think)
I hope we get some solid info on what to expect rules wise
 

Naarmight

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Do we think Blast weapons will come with Blast markers? For some reason that is one of friends most demanded features, he was really upset at the lack of them in 8th
 
Oct 26, 2017
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New starter price might of leaked through the mystery price value

Going by T & Cs of the mystery box competition the box will be £120/€160/290 Aussie dollars.

Which is a substantial increase over the previous.
 

Yrch

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Oct 29, 2017
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Do we think Blast weapons will come with Blast markers? For some reason that is one of friends most demanded features, he was really upset at the lack of them in 8th
As much as I like the concept of blast markers the rules were written Very strange and were a major discussion point whenever they were used.
They just slowed down the game.

I think they will just increase the amount of dmg soem weapons do to larger units. Like in AoS where some weapons do 2D dmg instead of 1D when targeting large units
 
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Templates are gone. For good hopefully.

They added a ton of time,and created unecvesary tension during games arguing about what is in and out.

Further it added an immense amount of time to movement and spacing.
 

Actinium

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Not only do I not want templates back, I want another crack at 4e's catagorized terrain and removal of true line of sight. Never understood the desire to squat down and pivot your head around looking to see what a mini can see, only for your opponent to have to come do the same thing every time it's a close call or getting to debate exactly which parts of the tyranid counts as a gun or a limb or poking your eye out on a dark eldar model. Just let me shine a laser level and draw a line from base to base and be done with it.
 

Siggy-P

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I'm in love!

*Sees war of the world-looking tripod thingy*

Well wallet, looks like it's that time again...

Templates are gone. For good hopefully.

They added a ton of time,and created unecvesary tension during games arguing about what is in and out.

Further it added an immense amount of time to movement and spacing.

I like them in theory and it was much more interesting having to choose between units with weaker firepower but bigger template footprints. Just rolling D6 or 2D6 is not the same.

But yeah, it added way too much time and confusion. Removing them alone cut down games by like half the time. And I never fully understood if I was doing the wyvern templates properly or not.


I miss two things though that I think the game suffers for. Firstly the lack of templates means that setting up chokepoints and using terrain isn't as dynamic as before.

And secondly, when you got to use the BIG templates. I always brought a deathstrike. Useless a lot of the time but I will never forget when my deathstrike template went wide and blew away most of my army as I was winning.
 

Yrch

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yeah the big templates felt awesome.
Loved to use the big ass flamer on the Warhound Titan.

But even tho it's not as cool. Just rolling D6 hit with a flamer is so much faster
 

Naarmight

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Oct 27, 2017
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an awful lot was revealed on the Q&A stream
They basically said wait to find out about blast weapons on the stream, just that they will do more damage to hordes.

also that Astartes Chain Swords will have better stat lines than other chain swords.
 

Drax

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Oct 25, 2017
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New starter price might of leaked through the mystery price value

Going by T & Cs of the mystery box competition the box will be £120/€160/290 Aussie dollars.

Which is a substantial increase over the previous.

This is probably going to be about 200 usd with the typical us markup. Expensive, but better then I expected (which shows you how bad gw has been about pricing recently).

They mentioned something about blasts doing max hits against hordes in 9th, right?

Yes, it's probably going to lean to some odd army sizes though to avoid that horde minimum requirement though