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Redcrayon

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I'm harboring a secret wish that Primaris bikes means Primaris Raven Wing and Death Wing. And some bonkers lore with it:
A ravenwing/RW command upgrade sprue for primaris bike units would seem like a logical release the next time they get around to a DA codex. I doubt primaris attack bikes and land speeders will be far behind.

Not sure they'll do anything with the Deathwing until they figure out what to do with Terminators going forward, as the Deathwing is all Terminator armour and so needs to kinda all change at once. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a simple lore change first, where the DA induct enough primaris to the first company that they can start fielding Deathwing primaris units as melee command squads, like that new unit with the nice shields. Hell, for all I know there's a new mark of Terminator armour for primaris marines around the corner just in time for a Space Hulk rerelease :D
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Primaris Honor guard:
Have a storm shield, power sword, volkite charger pistol, and grenades.
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Expect 20-40% of the old marine range to be retired to legacy before 10th.
The price hikes on the land raider is a torchlight, landraider will likely be retired from service and replaced within 2 years.

Additionally, sadly, I highly suspect that a marine codex V3, yes V3. will be out before year end.

With everything new announced + the primaris Land speeder, and ALT tanks builds that leaked ( repulsor with dual gatling) there are what, 10+ new loadouts/kits, so no doubt there will be a new dex.



additionally, all new codex's physical copies will come with a digital version also* thats a big benefit.
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this is ( assault wave), so expect 2~ years of assault, fast attack, fast attack cqc, with some light arms cqc (gravis with meltas)

Next wave is ( Heavy support ) this is the wave we'll likely have primaris terminators finally.

After this is the (specialist wave) where we get our chapter specific units.
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also worth noting, the guard revamp is also coming this edition, or at least thats when its starting.
 

Poodlestrike

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Doesn't the Aggressor armor already sorta fill the Termie slot?

Huge, cowled armor, one-handed versions of two-handed weapons...

(Visually and sorta thematically, I mean)
 
Oct 26, 2017
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terminator offers a invulnerable save built in, + teleport.

Aggressor, imho is akin to MK3 forward assault armor. tougher than standard armor, but not terminator.

and GW has outright said Aggressor is not the terminator equivalent
 
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Poodlestrike

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terminator offers a invulnerable save built in, + teleport.

Aggressor, imho is akin to MK3 forward assault armor. tougher than standard armor, but not terminator.

and GW has outright said Aggressor is not the terminator equivalent
Oh, well, that answers that.

Wonder if Primaris Terminators will be done up more like Centurions, e.g. an exosuit you wear over regular power armor, rather than "even heavier suit." That'd let them differentiate it thematically and visually from Aggressor.

Anyway, it makes sense that they'd go back to Space Marines for a new edition. Figure that the three factions they focused on today - Necrons, Marines, Sisters - will be the first 3. Then maybe Guard?

Though you did say that thing about them doing 2 new codexes in the first 5, so who knows.
 

Drax

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Oh, well, that answers that.

Wonder if Primaris Terminators will be done up more like Centurions, e.g. an exosuit you wear over regular power armor, rather than "even heavier suit." That'd let them differentiate it thematically and visually from Aggressor.

Anyway, it makes sense that they'd go back to Space Marines for a new edition. Figure that the three factions they focused on today - Necrons, Marines, Sisters - will be the first 3. Then maybe Guard?

Though you did say that thing about them doing 2 new codexes in the first 5, so who knows.

Gravus armor is kinda the centurion replacement. I'm not sure how they will handle terminator armor to be honest, I think Indomitus armor looks ugly as hell, and is only respected because its so old school, but I love Tartaros and Cataphractii.
 
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from the rumors around it sounds like one of the first 3 codexes will be a brand new army.

Personally I hope Primaris Terminator armor is given a 5++ to mort wounds
 

Drax

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Want.


Think this is likely, what with the recent Guard single minis they've been making. I expect to see a lot more female Guard on the battlefield then too.

Iirc, the last three singles have been two Catachans and a commisar, while Cadians were focused in the video. I've stated that I wanted Armageddon Steel Legion and a World Eaters focus, but can they do two regiments at once? Do we see some additional Tempestus love?
 
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I hope they redo the guard line like necromunda kits.

10 guys in a box, with a heavy weapon/something else.
and have 5-6 variants. elysian, the wandering cadians, catachan, krieg, steel legion, tallarn
 

Poodlestrike

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The thing is, you could potentially get so many different variations with the guard, each of which would basically require as much work on the back end that they could be totally different units instead of variations on the same one...

I think they'll probably space them out, if it happens. Maybe have 2 - one Cadian, to represent the "baseline," and Catachans, to do something totally different (plus you can probably reuse the legs). Then release other sprues that can share parts as time goes on.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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the one thing I hope ends up.

K9 Troopers, they did a minor lore piece saying they uncovered the ancient terran K9 genome and brought them back, and now they are in gaurd regiments.

GIB ME DOGGOS
 

Poodlestrike

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the one thing I hope ends up.

K9 Troopers, they did a minor lore piece saying they uncovered the ancient terran K9 genome and brought them back, and now they are in gaurd regiments.

GIB ME DOGGOS
The whole thing is quite helpful and informative. https://regimental-standard.com/2018/09/26/managing-your-canid/

  1. Remember Your Place
In order to prevent undue feelings of superiority among privates, all canids are officer rank. This means that striking your canid, presuming to give it commands or, theoretically, disobeying its orders are all offences punishable by death.*** Refusing to follow a canid into combat is also a capital offence. The following chart should help you learn your place.

*** If issued clear, verbal orders by your canid, self-report for psychological evaluation following completion of said orders.
 

LTWheels

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Wasn't there a leaked shipping paper that had Codex Custodes on it?
As for a new Dex, I'm all for Traitor guard or The Fallen.

I feel like those two would work better as being implemented into the Choas marines codex. I can't imagine them producing enough models to satisfy their own codex.

Hopefully sisters of silence is combined with Custodes as Talons of the Emperor.
 
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NGL, some of the new Necron models look insane. They seemed to have jumped away from the Necron range just being various sizes of four limbed robots.
 
I'd be really interested to see a form of traitor Imperial Guard who aren't just a variant of chaos-worshipping traitor astartes. More like guard legions who are disillusioned with imperial failures but still believe in the imperial religion. Still afraid of corruption. Maybe even form their own version of the faith, and go off on their own.
 

Poodlestrike

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T'au auxiliaries pls
I'd be really interested to see a form of traitor Imperial Guard who aren't just a variant of chaos-worshipping traitor astartes. More like guard legions who are disillusioned with imperial failures but still believe in the imperial religion. Still afraid of corruption. Maybe even form their own version of the faith, and go off on their own.
Renegade Astartes are a thing, chapters that break off from the Imperium but don't join Chaos, but most of what you're describing in the lore just ends up being a planetary rebellion, which either gets crushed or falls to Chaos/Genestealers/Etc.
Wasn't there a leaked shipping paper that had Codex Custodes on it?
As for a new Dex, I'm all for Traitor guard or The Fallen.
I get the appeal of Traitor Guard, but I dunno, I feel like you can represent 'em just fine with the Guard as it is, plus some Daemons or CSM. They won't really have much of their own, they're not that important in the grand scheme of things.

And do the Dark Angels really need two codices?
I feel like those two would work better as being implemented into the Choas marines codex. I can't imagine them producing enough models to satisfy their own codex.

Hopefully sisters of silence is combined with Custodes as Talons of the Emperor.
Sisters as-is are kind of a one-unit faction afaik, might not be worth messing up the branding.
 

Drax

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T'au auxiliaries pls

Renegade Astartes are a thing, chapters that break off from the Imperium but don't join Chaos, but most of what you're describing in the lore just ends up being a planetary rebellion, which either gets crushed or falls to Chaos/Genestealers/Etc.

I get the appeal of Traitor Guard, but I dunno, I feel like you can represent 'em just fine with the Guard as it is, plus some Daemons or CSM. They won't really have much of their own, they're not that important in the grand scheme of things.

And do the Dark Angels really need two codices?

Sisters as-is are kind of a one-unit faction afaik, might not be worth messing up the branding.

1. Yeah, I'm up for Kroot et all, especially after GSC "fleshed out" the Tyranid (soup) Range.
2. TBH, I don't see the appeal for Traitor Guard when cultists are already a thing for Chaos, Chaos Space Marine already have weird ass Chaos vehicles, and Guard themselves being a horde army in general, which I think is something that's Games workshop is kinda leary of pushing, especially without doing a Guard refresh first.
3. No, they shouldn't get a codex before Eaters and Children, adn tbh I'd much rather get codex for chapters like Alpha Legion first if we're going that route.
4. I"m going to disagree with you here in that that they're already co-branded tbh and they recently reinforced that with Valerian and Aleya.
 

Kharnete

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Traitor Guard could be added as an option of the regular codex, in a "hey, you can take allies from the various Chaos codex in limited quantities, but then you can not use Commisars nor this or this". Done.

It would probably create some stupid combos, but hey, I'm here for the fun, not the meta :P
 

Drax

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Traitor Guard could be added as an option of the regular codex, in a "hey, you can take allies from the various Chaos codex in limited quantities, but then you can not use Commisars nor this or this". Done.

It would probably create some stupid combos, but hey, I'm here for the fun, not the meta :P

To be fair they had a Chaos commissar with Blackstone Fortress.

It's just I don't know a major chaos guard line without refreshing any of the imp guard ranges, would be rather annoying tbh. I am fine if they GSC the guard into a lost and damned though, but I"m not sure what's the point then as well.
 

Bombless

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Don't forget Blackstone Fortress introduced a whole line of Lost and Damned models, from guardsmen to beastmen, psykers etc. These were all push fit but we all know GW can easily turn push fits into multipart kits easily. Plus it totally makes sense from a revenue perspective to make another book to sell instead of adding to other existing army books.
 

Matttimeo

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I'm tempted to try a chaos conversion of the new Judiciar model. He looks sinister enough that it shouldn't be too tough and he'll make a cool Master of Executions or Exalted Champion (not a major fan of the official MoE model).
 

Drax

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Why didn't they release this yesterday.

Edit. I know why they were forced to release it but man that stream was so anticlimactic.
 

Actinium

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Man, that cleaned up necron army pic has the goods all over. Not just clean shots of the stuff we were already guessing at, but take a peek between the monolith and the canoptek strider thing on the left. There's some kinda new deathmark headed monstrosity guy tucked back there.
 
Don't forget Blackstone Fortress introduced a whole line of Lost and Damned models, from guardsmen to beastmen, psykers etc. These were all push fit but we all know GW can easily turn push fits into multipart kits easily. Plus it totally makes sense from a revenue perspective to make another book to sell instead of adding to other existing army books.
They can make push fit to normal?
 

Drax

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Oh yeah! I'll do that now ;D

I think you have to fix it it with the fixed logo once they release a file for it. They fucked up the r in this one and it looks its fixed in the new YouTube video that was just released. Which is pretty funny because they show the preview with the bad r logo a couple seconds after showing the fixed version.
 
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I think you have to fix it it with the fixed logo once they release a file for it. They fucked up the r in this one and it looks its fixed in the new YouTube video that was just released. Which is pretty funny because they show the preview with the bad r logo a couple seconds after showing the fixed version.

Wasn't the OG Warhammer logo a victim of bad kerning as well? I remember that bugging me when I was 13 or whenever that was out. Red and yellow one.
 

Bombless

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They can make push fit to normal?
There's a whole bunch of push-fits both in AoS and 40k which are just reconfigured version of multi-part kits (primaris, stormcasts, Underworlds warbands, etc). It wouldn't surprise me to see a retooled multi-part version of the traitor guard from Blackstone (which look amazing).
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I've found the general consensus so far about the new Marines is... Finally we have cqc Marines. But also, no actual enjoyment from the new cqc models. Bikes awesome, gravis is a wet fart, most people will just be kit bashing the assault ints.
The judicator is... Dumb. The model is dumb.
The rules are ?


Positive.

Black Templars are stoked
 

Mindwipe

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I would definitely hope any traitor guard were more like the amazing Forge World range that was discontinued than the naff "Cadians with spikes glued on" that were in Blackstone Fortress. People liked them because they were nicely proportioned Cadians, but they were creatively bankrupt.
 

Mindwipe

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I've found the general consensus so far about the new Marines is... Finally we have cqc Marines. But also, no actual enjoyment from the new cqc models. Bikes awesome, gravis is a wet fart, most people will just be kit bashing the assault ints.
The judicator is... Dumb. The model is dumb.
The rules are ?


Positive.

Black Templars are stoked

TBH I think the big unanswered question is "will the multipart kit have jump packs" more than anything.

And good jump packs, not the grav vanes they gave Shrike.
 

Drax

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I've found the general consensus so far about the new Marines is... Finally we have cqc Marines. But also, no actual enjoyment from the new cqc models. Bikes awesome, gravis is a wet fart, most people will just be kit bashing the assault ints.
The judicator is... Dumb. The model is dumb.
The rules are ?


Positive.

Black Templars are stoked

1. People like the assault intercessors but they don't like they're monopose, and you have to scrape shoulders pads. (But that's true for every base set kit). The fact that they're duped (iirc the chaos Marines in shadow spear werent) and will be hard to kitbash tabard will be tough.
I def think this sets needs its multipart kit for better sergeant options and sepcial weapon equivalent kif they get one.
2. I think people love the bladeguard vets, lt and captain. Crusader helms and volkite are well liked.
3. I haven't seen much reaction to gravus melts Marines
4. People like the concept of bikes but I'm not sure of the execution, space marine bikers were always kinda weird fit tbh.
5. I think people like the judicator except for the helmet and eggtimer(but the eggtimer has its fans).
 

Drax

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Monopose is the new normal.

The (new) fans want beautiful models not useful.

Monopose is fine except for two things.
1. The shoulder pads in these starter kits are sctped in which is a pain. While the monopose single release units aren't.
2. They're annoying to see them duped up in starter sets, unless they're super hordey like gaunts.
 
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