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Wargroove |OT| Advance Wargs
- Thread starter hersheyfan
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Never played Advance Wars!
Edit: Just watched a video of Advanced Wars (how did I miss this) followed by Wargroove and they are modern Shining Force style RPGs. Looks like I am buying!
Yeah, I think I'll just stick with this on Switch/PC (haven't decided yet) and stay with Fire Emblem on mobile, until this is released there.
I think (could be wrong) Shining Force is closer to Fire Emblem, but sure!
The arcade mode is a more AI versus mode with similar sounding conditions.
Not to toot the user generated content more, but players will be able to design these scenario battles with variables for win conditions.
But, seriously though, this is a game for MP. The players are going to shape this into the masterpiece much like AW MP is still a relevant aspect to this day.
Players will make better campaigns. Players will make better puzzles, players will make better and more balanced VS maps.
Well, shit. I was set on Switch version, but seeing mod support on steam has me second guessing that. Hmm...
That really depends whether the underlying mechanics are solid enough, but I suppose with mods you can do anything provided the fanbase is committed. Otherwise you'll just get Super Mario Maker with tons of drek.
Sounding really good so far but this is the kind of thing where I want to give the community a few days to really dig in and see how it weighs. And see how the user stuff starts coming along.
As the World's Biggest Advance Wars Fan (I created and ran a big Advance Wars fansite for a decade) - Wargroove has my stamp of approval.
- It feels SNAPPY and fast in the same way AW does. A detail that seemingly every other fucking strategy games get wrong (they just feel sluggish).
- Emphasis on a larger volume of disposable units scratches the AW itch in a way that Fire Emblem doesn't.
- It's a pretty shameless unit for unit AW copy which is fine with me - it has equivalents of the infantry, mech, APC, recon (war dogs!), anti-air, artillery, etc etc.
Advance Wars 1&2 are some of my favorite games of all time so this is to be expected, but while Wargroove is TRULY great, it doesn't quite live up to AW in my opinion:
- The commander powers are less interesting and satisfying when compared to CO powers in advance wars. And the commanders don't modify the properties of their army's units like they do in AW.
- The campaign missions are looooooong, and you spend too much time "mopping up" after it's clear you've won. And this wouldn't be a massive problem except you can't just mindlessly march everyone forward. I've lost a 60-minute mission more than once right at the end by accidentally causing my commander to die.
TLDR:
Advance Wars mega-fans have finally found the game they were waiting for and don't need to keep explaining to people why Fire Emblem just didn't feel the same any longer.
- It feels SNAPPY and fast in the same way AW does. A detail that seemingly every other fucking strategy games get wrong (they just feel sluggish).
- Emphasis on a larger volume of disposable units scratches the AW itch in a way that Fire Emblem doesn't.
- It's a pretty shameless unit for unit AW copy which is fine with me - it has equivalents of the infantry, mech, APC, recon (war dogs!), anti-air, artillery, etc etc.
Advance Wars 1&2 are some of my favorite games of all time so this is to be expected, but while Wargroove is TRULY great, it doesn't quite live up to AW in my opinion:
- The commander powers are less interesting and satisfying when compared to CO powers in advance wars. And the commanders don't modify the properties of their army's units like they do in AW.
- The campaign missions are looooooong, and you spend too much time "mopping up" after it's clear you've won. And this wouldn't be a massive problem except you can't just mindlessly march everyone forward. I've lost a 60-minute mission more than once right at the end by accidentally causing my commander to die.
TLDR:
Advance Wars mega-fans have finally found the game they were waiting for and don't need to keep explaining to people why Fire Emblem just didn't feel the same any longer.
Anyone aware of how Steam mod support work with custom maps / campaigns cross platform? I'm guessing... It won't?
Same...I DO have a bunch of credit on Steam, maybe I'll start with Switch then end up double dipping.
Generally the win condition is hq capture or kill the enemy commander. They retreat aggressively when put into a bad position, so HQ capture wins are most common. You can sometimes exploit the AI for easy (ish) wins by cutting off enemy CO retreats and just blitzing them down for the win.
Scripted campaign missions sometimes have other custom win conditions (survival, rescue, route enemies, so-on).
As someone who spent a lot of time on AW fansites back in the day, I gotta ask - which one?
Glad to see the good reviews, though I'm making a face at the combination of "long missions", "no hard saves", and "random reinforcements". I may use the Switch cloud backup to save scum a few times and feel fine about it.
Good read, thanks for that!
One thing I think looks interesting (I haven't played Wargroove but have played all the AW games) in terms of commanders is that, while the powers are less dramatic, the risk/reward factor is there, and I can imagine it changes throughout the battle. In the early game obviously the commander is the most powerful unit but can't be everywhere. In the late game there are more likely to be powerful counters to address/avoid. What did you think of it, or have I got the wrong end of the stick (have only watched gameplay videos).
Not sure I saw anyone mention it (I searched the thread) but I just snatched this beauty up.
Wargroove 12" Vinyl OST - Preorder
Wargroove 12" Vinyl OST - Preorder
Nice nice. I was mostly on Advance Wars Bunker/Wars Central... and Custom Wars, which helps explain why I'm so excited for an AW-like with a proper campaign editor.
This was my shit back in the day. Sad that you had to shut down.
Right. I just meant so soon. I should have RE2 (and hopefully Yakuza Kiwami 2) cleared up by then so can play this next if that's the case.
I missed AW when I was younger but always thought it was cool. I've been looking forward to Wargroove for a good while now (#5 on my list). Anyone got any in-depth looks at AW?
Thanks - made me sad, too. I have the files on an old computer. when I have time (HAHA) I intend to at least grab stuff like the complete sprite sheets and music rips and whatnot and re-upload them.
Dual Strike offers the best bang for your buck but AW1 has the best campaign in my opinion. I just love the non-linearity.
I mean like video essays and breakdowns. As I'm getting WG tmrw, wouldn't have the time to get into an AW proper now.
I imagine Wargroove has a tutorial. Don't sweat it.
So it was mentioned that on switch you wont get notifications when it's your turn as there aren't notifications on the switch OS. Is there not an email notification system where I can get emailed that it's my turn instead? Would be nice for me since I'll probably be hopping between my laptop and switch anyways.
For async multiplayer, you will get a notification when it's your turn on PC and Xbox. Switch does not have notifications, so you'll just have to periodically check.
I doubt we'll get email notification as that involves managing an email server outside of the game. And all the hassle of handling people's personal data.
Can notifications use a sound effect or vibration? Otherwise I'm not sure what the difference is if you have the game in your background and even then they could use different music for different turns.
The point of async multiplayer is that you can turn off your console, check the next day and play your turn if it's ready to be played.
It would be pretty cool if there was a mobile app or something that could notify you when it was your turn.
For a-sync multiplayer games, you wont get a notification (outside of the game) letting you know it's your turn, like you do on PC, xbox, and PS4. The only way to see that it's your turn, is to pull up the game and look at the notifications in the game.
I see. I'm not so sure whether this mode will work with this game, since you'd just get a number of afk'ers eventually against anonymous people, especially if it's a stalemate.
In async multiplayer games you can set time limits, so for example, for random opponents you may want to set it to 24 hours, so that if it's someone's turn and they don't make a move within that timeframe, you win.
And like QisTopTier said below me, you can be playing several games at once, so it's not like you are waiting around for just 1 other person. Personally I plan on playing with friends though, and we love games like these because they let us play at our own pace.
I mean it has both regular style and that. You can play a bunch of async games at once.
I just had a surge of depression that this game still won't be the AW I need. COs in AW have army-wide passive effects that can completely change how one approaches the maps. Not seeing that level of differentiation here. I'm also not sure if I like the idea of having an uber unit that can lose you the game. The whiplash might be harsh, but we'll see how much it adds. On face value, I prefer how CO pilots were done in DoR over this.
Hey, if it's not too much trouble could you describe how in-depth the async multiplayer options are? Can you set cumulative time limits or per-turn time limits, etc?
Sorry - I haven't messed with it at all. Just campaign and
Pester Tom Marks on Twitter and he should know more.
I mean it's the main differentiating factor between Wargroove and Advance Wars, the core identity of the game is based around the commander mechanics. I'm glad they are doing something different, otherwise the game really would just be a straight up AW clone.
