I guess it's a good thing that those aspects aren't mutually exclusive
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Wargroove is putting most AAA to shame in terms of content and it is great !
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I guess it's a good thing that those aspects aren't mutually exclusive
I totally agree (says the guy that's put 350+ hours into BotW...). I hope you've got to peruse the eye-rolling hot takes from the folks in the RE2 Remake threads just now realizing a single side playthrough would be 6-8 hours. You'd think Capcom was trying to sell them a bridge.
Back on topic though, thanks to Switch's pop in pop out sorta play style I could see getting Wargroove and accumulating a 50 hour record over the months.
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I think it's a fairly disengenious comparison though. The features are great but it seems like there's still a bunch unknown about wargroove not to mention it's unknown how well it plays and that's where the comparision fails.
People really fixating on that arbitrary all-inclusive hour count, when it's hardly the point of the OP.
Long games, short games, medium-sized games — they all have their place. Wargroove's campaign is not 50h long, so there's no need to fret.
I'm most excited to see what people do with the editor! Reminds me of the WC3 days.
Long games, short games, medium-sized games — they all have their place. Wargroove's campaign is not 50h long, so there's no need to fret.
I'm most excited to see what people do with the editor! Reminds me of the WC3 days.
Seems misguided to praise them prematurely before we know of all of this content is any good.
Also the needless comparison to AAA stuff just sinks your own thread OP. Why can't people praise something without needing to tear something else down?
Also the needless comparison to AAA stuff just sinks your own thread OP. Why can't people praise something without needing to tear something else down?
Honestly with OP mentioning the hour count is split between its 3 key single player modes (Campaign, Arcade and Challenge) is making this sound like Wargroove is gonna be a bargain. Anyways the more I hear about Wargroove the more excited I am for it. Should probably pre order it sometime today. Though again got to see how the actual gameplay is to see if it's all worth it, but I trust it's gonna be rock solid.
I'm genuinely sick of this attitude that games need to be shorter because ADULTHOOD. Let the devs deliver their vision, be it 2 hours or 200.
I could swear I saw threads like that for no man sky prior to release.
Let's back down a little and wait for the release, ok? I want to know how fresh the game will feel by the 40th hour.
Let's back down a little and wait for the release, ok? I want to know how fresh the game will feel by the 40th hour.
On the one hand, I completely agree with you. I'm getting old and I have too many games to play and not nearly enough time to play them in.
But then I remember 10-year-old John Nephtes who was poor, too young to work for money due to our restrictive child labor laws, with no means of steady income to buy games and parents who didn't give no damns about any of these "Devil Vidya games", who could maybe only scrape together enough money for 2 games a year, max...Who clung to 40+ hour campaigns in games like FFIII and Shining Force II for every ounce of value...
I remember being that kid, and I imagine his tiny heart breaking to hear his future self callously suggesting "things are too good, games are too long".
Because I'm sure there's some kid out there right now that only gets 2 games a year...And...
Oh who the fuck am I kidding, that kid probably spends all his time flossing and playing Fortnite.
Nevermind, carry on...
You both are not wrong but games being to long can be a real problem, most times games are not to short.
Which AAA devs have been short changing you with 50 hours experience and multiplayer?
You're not a fan of padded gameplay and repetitive carrot and stick motivators?
You prefer gaming on one of the other platforms, you don't have a Switch.
Basically like any other game that is on multiple platforms.
Yes I agree
Few games deserve to be more than 30 hours. It just leads to repetition and artificial extension
I prefer a focused 10-15 hour experience that does not have any filler at all.
A game like this (advance wars-like) could hardly support 50 hours without lots of repetition
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I don't talk about the quality of the game and I am not tearing AAA down come on.
What I am saying is that some QoL/content feature that should be in more AAA are present in Wargroove despite being an indie and having a smaller budget.
Do you find normal that the game is localized in most languages when numerous JP games comes in Europe without any proper translation other than in English ?
That local MP is often ignored in PS/X1 games and online MP for Nintendo games ?
Then you're misreading. The issue is that many games are artificially inflated ruining the pacing in the process. Studios are doing this often based on feedback. It's hurting games.
You literally say "put AAA to shame" in your thread title. And the quality matters. All that content and all those modes aren't worthy of praise if they ain't any good. Until then all they are are bullet points. And there's been plenty of games in the past that have given us a lot of fancy bullet points but failed to deliver, and nobody praises them.
Isn't Advance Wars 2 gba like 30-40 hours long to do the whole campaign?
In all fairness, 50 hours is comfortably more than double and given Advance wars game and well in excess of any Fire Emblem game. It's gargantuan compared to its most direct inspirations.
games shouldn't be shorter because of adult hood ... they should be shorter because every game wants to overstay it's welcome nowadays.
The 50h+ quantification cited in the OP is including all single-player content across different modes. How is having multiple (optional) modes an "artificial extension," let alone one that impacts the game's pacing? Again, the campaign is not some bloated 50h affair.
This diatribe about studios artificially elongating games as a selling point seems misplaced here.
Are you comparing this to AAA games that use 2d sprite assets, have little to no VO, and don't require mocap???
Pretty unfair comparison tbh
Isn't this an objective fact tho?
I'm being serious here, a lot more money and manpower has to go into modern 3d visuals, vs 2d sprites.
If you view it as ppl "defending AAA studios" that's on you. I view it as ppl being realistic about this strange comparison.
Pretty unfair comparison tbh
Isn't this an objective fact tho?
I'm being serious here, a lot more money and manpower has to go into modern 3d visuals, vs 2d sprites.
If you view it as ppl "defending AAA studios" that's on you. I view it as ppl being realistic about this strange comparison.
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I've always been firmly in the "quality>quantity" camp, but all the people getting defensive on behalf of AAA development firms have me itching to be a contrarian. Lmao stop. "It's easier for indie devs to provide thorough package like this because 'graphics'"... Jeeeeezus...
It's awesome to see that they've put a bunch of work into making this game as deep as it is. Local and online co-op. Extensive campaign. Scenario/campaign editors. Cross-play. Cross-platform sharing for the creative stuff. It's an extremely good package, worthy of commendation.
It's awesome to see that they've put a bunch of work into making this game as deep as it is. Local and online co-op. Extensive campaign. Scenario/campaign editors. Cross-play. Cross-platform sharing for the creative stuff. It's an extremely good package, worthy of commendation.
That user generated content is "cross-share" so you can play it on any device.
You can make and download created maps from any system on any system.
I mean - that's not true? Many Japanese games offer localization and language options. RE2 and Tales of Vesperia being recent examples.
Ya just need to word your title, OP, and posts differently. These features are great considerations for games in general, and I love all what Chucklefish is doing in both their development studio (Starbound) and publishing (Stardew) - the comparison of this game vs. AAA is clumsy though.
The thing is how the OP worded his topic is why there is such disagreement plus the game's not even out yet and maybe it will be great but maybe it won't. we don't know and a thread like this seems both poorly timed when there is still so much unknowns about the game.
It's a SRPG. I remember some maps in Fire Emblem Fates taking me 30+ minutes each to go through.
Sorry, but honestly length is important for many genres of games, rpgs especially. Not every game can/has to be short.
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I was thinking about Persona 5, Yakuza ...
However you are right, I should have framed things better.
The excitement on Resetera is really appreciated! We're so excited for everyone to get their hands on the game next week!
I can confirm we have asynchronous online multiplayer, in addition to crossplay between Steam, Switch and Xbox One.
I can confirm we have asynchronous online multiplayer, in addition to crossplay between Steam, Switch and Xbox One.
I generally agree with this opinion, but imo this is different. This, to me, is a game that's made to be played on the go, whenever you feel like it. Don't blast through all 50 hours at once. I can see myself playing a game like this for several years, on and off. Advance Wars and Civilization are the same. I'll play 20 hours of Civ, then not play for a few months, then get back and do another 20. Srpgs are about longevity, unlike story focused games
It has branching paths, so maybe that is factored in. Don't worry. People will create entire campaigns of various length (and they can be branching as well)
The editor features look incredible. It's tapping into that Fire Emblem fangame niche. Can't wait to get my hands on that.
