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Warcraft 3 Reforged menu is a browser-based app causing performance issues
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Many of the most popular games have had web-based main menu.
Dota2 is an obvious one.
But also PUBG for example.
I had no idea, I don't personally play either of those. It must be easier to program them this way or more cost effective for development.
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Building (and maintaining) web-based user interface is several magnitudes easier, simpler and FASTER than doing it "natively".
There is a reason most of desktop programs, most of the mobile apps and ALL of TV apps are web-based, and have been for a full decade now if not longer and you haven't noticed.
Steam, Discord, Skype, Netflix -- name anything you work with daily. Even heavy duty programs like Adobe's photo and video editors are web-based apps.
Panorama, Valve's replacement for VGUI that Dota 2 now uses, has webesque syntax, but it's not built atop Chromium. I'm sure using a browser engine for certain elements of a UI can make sense, but Blizzard has apparently used Chromium to build the entire thing.
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It usually happens when management tries to push down unrealistic release dates, so developers have to create half-baked solutions, hoping somewhere down the line they'll have time to fix it.
The only web-based menu I fuck with, was when Battlefield had it on PC. It was neat using my secondary monitor as a giant map in the browser window.
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"Using Chromium to build the entire thing" is called Electron and it's an industry leading technology of building UI:
You might see some familiar names in the list of programs built on it
The other leader is called React Native and it also "uses Chromium to build the entire thing". Granted it's more of a mobile app solution competing with Ionic (yet another web based platform).
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Here's even longer list of programs "using Chromium to build the entire thing":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework#Applications_using_CEF
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I'm not sure why you're being patronising when I in no way invited such a tone and the particular context here is video game UIs (or more specifically, UIs within video games that are native programs). I understand why you'd assume I'm not aware that CEF is popular in application development and can appreciate the FYI, but you can educate without selectively quoting someone and poking fun at their phrasing.
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It's also a reason why most of them suck and take way more resources than native apps.
I'm hearing more and more bad things about this remaster, omg.
Never intended to buy Reforged, but I can say that I'm glad I still have my original discs in my closet, if I ever feel like revisiting this. Apparently I won't be missing much.
I feel for all those who were really looking forward to this.
Never intended to buy Reforged, but I can say that I'm glad I still have my original discs in my closet, if I ever feel like revisiting this. Apparently I won't be missing much.
I feel for all those who were really looking forward to this.
Should be fine using chromium embed, but why is there a 100% CPU usage?
Also a side note, what is the frequency of the CPU core on which the browser is running at the time of the screen capture?
Also a side note, what is the frequency of the CPU core on which the browser is running at the time of the screen capture?
Mostly a myth. You get slightly higher ram and disk usage and performance is fine for 99 percent of typical desktop app use cases. Vs code is an electron app.
Yes, and it takes almost 1 Gb in memory for what's essentially a text editor without any plug-in and similar feature set.
Compare RAM and CPU usage between something like Sublime Text. The difference is HUGE, colossal.
Not a myth. I deal with that every day.
And VS Code is a resource hog compared to Sublime Text, for example.
Not the same thing. The web-based stuff in Dota is for things like bringing up store pages or reading patch notes.
I actually just switched to VSCode and it runs like shit. Getting a browser crash when trying to search large files is a first for me and it blows.
That said, I think the Electron performance situation is kind of comparable to where Unity was a couple years ago for games. It's perfectly possible to get acceptable performance out of it, but it doesn't happen a lot of the time and part of that can come down to how the framework is implemented.
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This is a bigger issue among all desktop software. Anyone who used Spotify back in 2010 and is still using it today knows what a huge regression has happened there. It went from a very lightweight music streaming client to a browser-based one that performs terribly. Steam also did the same with the new web-based library view, many have said that the performance got a lot worse. Steam's "small mode" is still the old code though.
You get heavy cpu/memory usage like that in electron apps when you have poor DOM management. I have written my own apps and experienced huge page lag when I don't consider the impact of what I display to the user. If you try and render too many objects on a page(such as an unbounded list) the whole thing slows to a crawl. By limiting what is shown vs what is in the data you can optimise performance.
Still, I wouldn't go back to native menus. Write once run everywhere is too convenient.
Still, I wouldn't go back to native menus. Write once run everywhere is too convenient.
Does the Xbox One do the same? Because I swear, navigating the Store feels like I'm using a browser navigating an extremely heavy website at times.
personally, i don't think i've ever seen vs code climb over 300mb, it might be a faulty extension.
I so wish things like this were standard features by now on PC.
If I had to guess, it's because they, like Bethesda, probably believe that their audience will (mostly) bend over and take it, regardless.
Anyone willing to give money to Blizzard in the face of their Chinese bootlicking actions after silencing blitzchung got what they deserved if I'm to speak honestly on this drama. They showed their ass, you put your face in it. It's almost like the company that gave no apologies for being anti consumer was actually anti consumer. Will everyone learn their lesson? I doubt it. It's hard to have sympathy for anyone who bought this. Obviously anyone who had their game basically stolen from them when this update was applied, I feel for.
