• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Dec 25, 2018
3,075

"Concerning Warcraft 3: Reforged, honestly, it's been a bit of a hard week. Our community has come to expect really amazing things from us, and we've heard from them that we did not achieve that bar," Brack said.
"But we stand behind our games, and have consistently shown that not only do we support them, but we continue to build on them even after launch. And we're committed to doing that here as well. We're going to continue to update the game, and we're going to continue to update the community with our plans going forward."


yeahhhh....
 

Bansai

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,197
Tough, heated release moment. We'll do better though, promise!
 

Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
38,329
Ibis Island
If you wanted to launch Warcraft 3 as an early access title, why didn't you just let the community know the change of plans?
 

Punchline

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,151
i mean, its more than just a buggy release, unless there's a change in mindset at blizzard i doubt updates are gonna fix this mess
 

antitrop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,555
The Blizzard of 20 years ago cancelled WarCraft Adventures when it was almost done and not meeting their expectations. Their reputation meant everything to them. They wouldn't have even let something like this happen in the first place.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,417
"We've heard from them that we did not achieve that bar."

Please—you already knew, and forced it out anyway. After already cutting its budget and scope, then delaying it, and it still being a mess (with minimal additions!) a month before launch.
 

Mechaplum

Enlightened
Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,788
JP
"We've heard from them that we did not achieve that bar."

Please—you already knew, and forced it out anyway. After already cutting its budget and scope, then delaying it, and it still being a mess (with minimal additions!) a month before launch.

Exactly, they can't keep feigning ignorance. Even the blind can see through that.
 

SirKai

Member
Dec 28, 2017
7,348
Washington
This honestly wouldn't be even half as bad if they hadn't just gutted and ruined the original client. Just give me back my original Warcraft 3 and I won't give a fuck. Blizzard sucks.
 

Ploid 6.0

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,439
Riot should make a Warcraft 3 like game with massive improvements for the modern age. Do they not have one coming? It would be good for their world building they seem to be doing with their universe.
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,338
"But we stand behind our games, and have consistently shown that not only do we support them, but we continue to build on them even after launch. And we're committed to doing that here as well. We're going to continue to update the game, and we're going to continue to update the community with our plans going forward."
At least he admits that Blizzard is just like every other big company now. Release unpolished game first, worry about getting it to where it should be later and act like they're being generous in doing so.

The Blizzard people used to love is dead.

Blizzard are quickly becoming the masters of the non-apology.
Being a master at it would mean people are actually falling for it.
 

Corsick

Member
Oct 27, 2017
965
I love it when executives and high level members of leadership refuse to take full responsibility for their mistakes. Not many people have more control over the company than you, J.
 

Gorger

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,625
Norway
The Blizzard of 20 years ago cancelled WarCraft Adventures when it was almost done and not meeting their expectations. Their reputation meant everything to them. They wouldn't have even let something like this happen in the first place.

Don't forget StarCraft: Ghosts

This game should be called back and completely remade with the promises that was given to us in 2018. It's not impossible and we've seen it be done after the disastrous release of FF14. As it stands now it's like a hollowed empty husk and no amount of tweaks and patches will fix what is fundamentally a broken game. Reforged doesn't mean a 100% copy paste of the previous game except for a few model upgrades. We were promises new cinematic cutscenes, new UI, new missions, quests and expanded lore. What the hell happened during the years this game was being developed? It's riddled with bugs, poor optimization, stripped features from the original game and a horrible consumer unfriendly EULA that kills all innovation.

I cannot believe Blizzard managed to flunk so hard with this game.
 

Papercuts

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,005
Blizzard are truly mastering the art of dropping paragraphs that say absolutely nothing.
 

Gxgear

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,160
Vancouver
Must be hard having to hand back some of the $30 they've been holding onto for months, interest-free. All the while knowing that they are defrauding customers.
 

Jolkien

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,758
Anchorage/Alaska
If there's a company I don't doubt they'll keep supporting and making better it'll be Blizzard. But it would never have released in that state before.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
But we stand behind our games, and have consistently shown that not only do we support them, but we continue to build on them even after launch.

Yeah, besides "supporting" and "building", you've definitely shown what else you're willing to do to your games after launch, that's for sure.

(with minimal additions!)

... and maximal substractions.
 

Maximo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,149
Its amazing cause Activision is publishing and creating games of a better quality than Blizzard, Sekiro, Crash Trilogy, Spyro Trilogy, Crash Team Racing (CoD is still pretty decent) never in a million years could you have told me in the past I would end up loving Activsions output more than Blizzards yet here we are.
 

DSP

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,120
when this company puts far far more effort into pretty much remaking crash and spyro compared with freaking warcraft, like their biggest brand, you know how out of touch their management is right now. They have no clue wtf they are doing. The clueless marketing dudes that have no clue how the company got to where it is now, they probably go "RTS won't sell" or something like that. This isn't any RTS, this is your biggest brand that you have millions of subscribers to it right now and they would probably be interested to check it out for story alone and the interest was there, hence the blow back.

Maybe instead of laying off or forcing out your top creators left and right (pretty much all the remaining leads on sc2 recently quit), fire some of those people that make these horrible decisions instead of just being sorry all the time. What a spinless, ineffective CEO he has been so far. All he has done is apologizing, no positive action or change so far.
 

Dalik

Member
Nov 1, 2017
3,528
At least he admits that Blizzard is just like every other big company now. Release unpolished game first, worry about getting it to where it should be later and act like they're being generous in doing so.

The Blizzard people used to love is dead.


Being a master at it would mean people are actually falling for it.
They dont need people to believe their lies when they still buy their stuff anyway.
We'll see what will happen with shadowlands after that pile of garbage expansion beta for azeroth or with diablo 4.
 

Red Arremer

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
12,259
when this company puts far far more effort into pretty much remaking crash and spyro compared with freaking warcraft

Blizzard did not develop the Crash and Spyro remakes, though. In fact, they had absolutely nothing to do with these games. Neither did Activision do anything but fund/publish them. Toys for Bob developed Spyro Reignited Trilogy, Vicarious Visions Crash N. Sane Trilogy and Beenox Crash Team Racing.
 

Kieli

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,736
Bruh, just delay it... You guys have like a bajillion dollars. Reforged isn't going to make or break your piggy bank...
 
Oct 8, 2019
9,114
I really don't know what Blizzard expected when they put out a video promising something on par with Spyro Reignited Trilogy and Crash Bandicoot games, and then announce in a panel that they were scaling back on the promises then never bothered showing fans what they were actually getting. In addition despite scaling back on their promises they didn't change the price.

Who is actually dumb enough to buy the "Oh some people complained and then we looked back and thought 'this should totally look like a game that came out in 2002'". Nobody could seriously look at the two culling videos and think the one we got was actually better.
 

Deleted member 2840

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,400
It was not about "reaching that bar" for fucks sake. It was about going to the bar you reached before and kicking it down a well while asking for 30 dollars.
 

Won

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,424
and we've heard from them that we did not achieve that bar," Brack said.

Sure, you had no idea what was going on with this product.

Must be indeed rough realizing that writing Blizzard onto something isn't enough to make people eat up the crap you put out anymore.
 

OberstKrueger

Member
Jan 7, 2018
591
Took awhile after the merger for that to come through, but now that most of the old guard is gone, they sure are.

I remember when the apologies from Blizzard were more "sorry it's delayed, but we want to do this right" and less "sorry your expectations were wrong". But one shouldn't be surprised when "you think you do, but you don't" is put in charge.
 

mbpm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,491
A hard week? To turn out a product like this it must have been a hard couple of months.
 

ColdSun

Together, we are strangers
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
3,290
A big issue is that Blizzard needed the community to tell them that they didn't reach the bar for a Blizzard product. Blizzard used to have no problem accurately looking at a product pre-release and deciding to hold and refine or drop entirely.