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Warcraft 3 Reforged "downgraded" (from Blizzcon 2018 show)
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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I get your point but every game outside of a few indie passion projects (and even most of those) is just a means to get money. It's why products get made.
What a bizarre thing to do from Blizzard. It's not like the original promises were so astronomically ambitious to be impossible, and it's certainly not like they don't have the money or resources. This is a downgrade to the point it should have been a free update, not a separate purchase.
I was happy when Blizzard rolled back that they won't be changing the original voice acting , I mean almost everyone in the blizzard forums asked them to do so.
But now, oh boy wow. I don't care what you hoped to accomplish but the end result looks worse and weird. Not even going towards the disastrous mess on the networking side of things.
I now know I was in the wrong. I wanted my original story, voice to be untouched and not to be mudded by WoW lore but come the fuck on, now there is absolutely nothing new so why charge 30$ for it. No new missions, lore, cutscenes and the camera angle for the new ones looks...bad.
They did not changed anything because that would screw the strategies people have been honing since original WC3, and the main focus is obviously esports. What a disaster.
But now, oh boy wow. I don't care what you hoped to accomplish but the end result looks worse and weird. Not even going towards the disastrous mess on the networking side of things.
I now know I was in the wrong. I wanted my original story, voice to be untouched and not to be mudded by WoW lore but come the fuck on, now there is absolutely nothing new so why charge 30$ for it. No new missions, lore, cutscenes and the camera angle for the new ones looks...bad.
They did not changed anything because that would screw the strategies people have been honing since original WC3, and the main focus is obviously esports. What a disaster.
It's very dissapointing. There already was a lot of disatisfaction with the amount of crunch they had to put in leading up to release. A lot of employees aren't happy with Jay Allen Brack :/. He's quickly making himself quite unpopular with a lot of departments.
Seeing Warcraft 3 Classic be disabled and not even work anymore is exactly why physical should live forever.
But you would still have to sign into battle.net to play. I have physical Frozen Throne CDs and those are now obsolete
The release (and beta) of Reforged is such a huge disappointment. The worst part about it is that the feature cut applies to the classic version as well. 30€ for a graphics change is a terrible deal. It's simply mind-boggling how Blizzard could be so careless.
MS/the forgotten team on the other hand did an amazing job with the Age of Empires II DE: carefully remastered graphics and sound, improved campaigns, better multiplayer, new AI, new campaigns, new factions, better mod support - and this "upgrade" was just 15€ for those who owned the old version. Gaaaaaaaaaaaah!
MS/the forgotten team on the other hand did an amazing job with the Age of Empires II DE: carefully remastered graphics and sound, improved campaigns, better multiplayer, new AI, new campaigns, new factions, better mod support - and this "upgrade" was just 15€ for those who owned the old version. Gaaaaaaaaaaaah!
What is truly despicable is that they barely spoke to all the features that they were no longer doing. They made big announcements of the exciting things they planned and let that spread online to help pre-orders but then rather silently cancelled all that shit and released what is basically a modded WC3. That is a bait and switch and as scummy as it gets.
I have no hope for Shadowlands or retail WoW in general. As long as they keep Classic around and eventually give us TBC servers I'll be happy.
The D4 team seems to be taking things very slowly and is intent on listening to the community and taking in feedback now to build the game the community wants - that alone gives me optimism.
I will be lying if I didn't say I have utmost confident they're gonna nail D4. Except that, all bets are off.
I miss the old Blizzard, straight from the go Blizzard
Chop up the soul Blizzard, set on their goals Blizzard
I'm optimistic that Diablo 4 will be a return to form but I'm at the point where games are no longer an instant buy just because they're made by Blizzard
Chop up the soul Blizzard, set on their goals Blizzard
I'm optimistic that Diablo 4 will be a return to form but I'm at the point where games are no longer an instant buy just because they're made by Blizzard
Blizzard was on life support from the end of Wrath of the Lich King to Mists of Pandaria.
After Mists, they just...died.
At least Overwatch was cool for a while.
After Mists, they just...died.
At least Overwatch was cool for a while.
Overwatch wasn't only cool for a while, it was an incredible success that demonstrated pretty much exactly the kind of polish Blizzard is known for. WoW: Legion was maybe the best received WoW addon ever, at least since Wrath. After they released Diablo 3 they managed to turn the ship around and turn the game into a well-liked success. I think you are really oversimplifying things if you're trying to point this as a steady progression like this.
It's just that Blizzard has a lot more blind spots and misses these days. And right now - with WoW: Battle for Azeroth, Diablo: Immortal, the Blizzchung debacle and Warcraft 3: Reforged they are on a fuck up streak that's pretty much unseen for the studio. But arguing that it's been this way for close to a decade now doesn't ring true for me.
That is what i am thinking, the classic version has more character
I remember when Blizzard games were 100% bullet proof, solid, must-have purchases. That was long ago.
Dafuq is this mess? I know their old standards went out the window long ago, but this looks like such a low effort. I'll save my money as this doesn't seem to be worth the time it takes to play.
Dafuq is this mess? I know their old standards went out the window long ago, but this looks like such a low effort. I'll save my money as this doesn't seem to be worth the time it takes to play.
mists was really well-received after it was over. It's one of the most fondly looked upon expansions in WoW. For modern WoW, MoP, and Legion are the probably the most liked.
They really could have just done something like this for budget reasons, create the cutscenes using WoW assets & animations, but we don't even get that.
You like Overwatch, that's cool. I don't like it so much, but please don't misunderstand what I said to mean I was saying Overwatch is bad. I had fun with it, and never picked it up again. I said it was cool for a while, I didn't call it a failure or a bad game at all.
As far as Legion is concerned, I'll defer to you on that. I didn't fully experience it, I played a bit of Warlords, hated it, played Legion for a few months but it just didn't grip me like everything before Warlords did, and came back for BfA and was sorely disappointed.
Diablo 3, even after Blizzard removed that god awful real money auction house is still widely considered a let down from Diablo 2.
^I had like 5 copies of WC3 and TFT and I can't find a single key fml.
Overwatch is the best multiplayer game ever made. The polish is unreal. The overwatch team are god tier developers, perfectly nailing gameplay for so many different types of playstyles. Can't say the same for the WC team today.
Overwatch is the best multiplayer game ever made. The polish is unreal. The overwatch team are god tier developers, perfectly nailing gameplay for so many different types of playstyles. Can't say the same for the WC team today.
I'll wait for Elder Scrolls 6 before grouping Bethesda with those other two.
it helps that I don't care about their online games so I've basically been ignoring their existence.
How bizarre. I mean, I suppose it really is just what Blizzard has become, with someone like Kotick at the very top telling them that resources shouldn't be "wasted" for "merely" a Warcraft 3 remaster.
Old Blizzard would've at least canceled a project like that if they didn't want to work on it and/or felt the quality was too lacking. But no, even that is no longer an option when the damned profit has to go up, up and always just up!
Just sell (relative) crap! What good is reputation anyway!
I mean, seriously, it seems so obvious to me that in the moderately long run this every-decreasing reputation of Blizz is going to hurt. There's so much negativity towards Blizzard in many online discussions for the past few years...
Seems like the most basic PR step to at least spend some money on projects like Wc3 Reforged and gain back goodwill. But nah, let's apparently not even pretend there's any prior Blizzard-soul left in that company.
Old Blizzard would've at least canceled a project like that if they didn't want to work on it and/or felt the quality was too lacking. But no, even that is no longer an option when the damned profit has to go up, up and always just up!
Just sell (relative) crap! What good is reputation anyway!
I mean, seriously, it seems so obvious to me that in the moderately long run this every-decreasing reputation of Blizz is going to hurt. There's so much negativity towards Blizzard in many online discussions for the past few years...
Seems like the most basic PR step to at least spend some money on projects like Wc3 Reforged and gain back goodwill. But nah, let's apparently not even pretend there's any prior Blizzard-soul left in that company.
I actually haven't played Overwatch since like the second week of release :D I'm not a fan of multiplayer shooters and Overwatch isn't really for me. But I can still recognize that saying it was "cool for a while" is underselling the incredible success the game was.
Similiar thing with Legion: I actually don't especially love that addon since I'm someone who mainly plays for the story and I strongly disliked the way the main story of the addon was almost exclusively told in patches and raids with the main game being full of filler, with barely a mention of the actual Legion. But I recognize that the community at large reacted very, very positively and fell in love for it for its gameplay mechanics and post-launch support.
Your last point I agree with, simply because Diablo 2 is probably still the most successful game in its genre. I just don't think that, considering all of these projects, with Legion being just a couple of years old, one could say that Blizzard was "dead". They can still provide incredible games that not only their hardcore fanbase love but also attract entirely new audiences. But they do fail in that regard more and more often :/
for fuck's sake
I don't want to fuck with reforged at all, so this forced update to one of my favorite classic games is boiling my piss. Booted it up and I was logged into a general chat with no clear way to turn it off.
What an absolute mess. Hoping for blizzard to return to WarCraft RTS has been some monkey paw shit.
This. 100% this.
Classic Warcraft was perfectly fine the way it was. With active game communities and clans. With a better menu screen and that with 10% of the used disc space.
They took that away from us. I can't properly play my favorite game anymore.
I was happy with the Reforged graphics. I hate everything else.
"Widely considered" is quite the editorialising. Certain vocal elements online certainly think that. But the base game and expansion sold extremely well and had a robust player base for years. It also made some serious innovations in terms of ARPG design (mainly in respecting the players time). It's certainly fair to say it's divisive but categorical statements like the above are, to repeat myself, crass editorialising.
Really happy that I didn't buy this. Feel bad for the classic War3 players though.
Blizzard is just...it's just sad to see what they became. I feel for the devs though, I'm sure they wanted to do more than this. But I understand what it's like being in the mercy of higher ups.
And yeah, like others said, if you want to see what a good RTS remaster is like, check out Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition, insane amount of content and upgrades from the original.
Blizzard is just...it's just sad to see what they became. I feel for the devs though, I'm sure they wanted to do more than this. But I understand what it's like being in the mercy of higher ups.
And yeah, like others said, if you want to see what a good RTS remaster is like, check out Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition, insane amount of content and upgrades from the original.
They really should have waited, especially when this release messes with the original game. Now no one is happy because people who didn't even buy the remastered version took an L.
I had them delete my account a few months ago and can't say they are doing anything to make me miss it. I feel like the executives who were truly passionate about the company's direction are long gone. I don't even care about the new Diablo.
That biggest disappointment of all is the lack of UI changes. Like, they are just cropping the top bar off so it looks ok for 16:9 but the whole "block" of clutter on the bottom of the screen is just incredibly jarring. Look at any modern RTS/Moba and how they combat that, even HOTS has a good UI in that aspect, so what the fuck happened? This shit looked dated in the late 2000's. That was the feature I cared about most. Frozen Throne's menu screens were fucking amazing, so that's another huge downgrade. Also, the beta did not require me to forward my ports and shit like I have to do with release client. All in all, this is a fucking disaster and the crew i was going to play this with have decided to skip it entirely.
It's also really sad knowing that TFT multiplayer.....no longer exists. Like, they deleted that version of the game....for this....just unreal.
It's also really sad knowing that TFT multiplayer.....no longer exists. Like, they deleted that version of the game....for this....just unreal.
I am left handed, and I was under the assumption that it at least would offer full customizable key-mapping similar to Starcraft 2 which was great and let you map every single shortcut to your personal preference. It made the game so much more enjoyable.
This is what I get when I try to customize the WC3 controls.
Are they really telling me to go into a txt file and edit hundreds of buttons manually, are you frigging kidding me?? And to top it all off they can't even be bothered to update tooltip from beta to retail.
Until I get a functioning key-mapping system I can't be bothered to start this game, even Age of Empires : Definitive Edition let me map my keys however I want it.
This is what I get when I try to customize the WC3 controls.
Are they really telling me to go into a txt file and edit hundreds of buttons manually, are you frigging kidding me?? And to top it all off they can't even be bothered to update tooltip from beta to retail.
Until I get a functioning key-mapping system I can't be bothered to start this game, even Age of Empires : Definitive Edition let me map my keys however I want it.
I haven't bought the game, but from what I've seen, that's how I would describe the old unit models and animations, too.
The Firelord, for example, went from looking unique with his viking-esque helmet to looking like a fairly generic WoW elemental with a few more bits and bobs and a very ugly head. His portrait no longer animates when he talks. He used to have some serious swagger when he would walk around, but now he just sort of...slides?
I wouldn't even say the original game had particularly good animations to begin with (especially compared to other old strategy games like Warhammer 40k and Battle Realms), but there were nuggets of charm like the Firelord here and there. The new graphics don't seem to have any of that.
Yeah you know what? Forget anything I said about wanting Warcraft IV. I don't want Blizzard touching anything to do with RTS games anymore.
They didn't even fix the port forwarding stuff?? So basically my only hope for ONE small improvement with Reforged is out the window. All blizzard did was waste 30gb of space on my drive and fuck up one of my favorite games. Great.
I still can't get over the fact that it's impossible to play the old version online now.
I'm getting mixed reports, apparently some people have had to do it and some haven't. Games are still not working for me but I don't have the patience to go home after work and tinker with all that shit.
A warcraft 4 by current blizzard would look like this
2 races, alliance vs horde, rehash every single old villain and story line from WoW (hur hur remember THIS character? how bout this one?!), fisher-price level mechanics to appeal to garbage players to rake in the big bucks. It's better off letting the series die.
I've never played WoW so this series lore has been frozen to me since frozen throne lol.