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[WaPo] Jeffery Epstein's autopsy raises questions surrounding his death
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You ruled out drop type hanging flat out in your post directly implying this was a homicide not a suicide. I would leave that to the experts not somebody who has a very basic knowledge of the subject and certainly wasn't on the scene.
No of course not, but I guess I can't speculate as to why he was not placed on suicide watch after the first attempt. Wouldn't want to tin foil hat as to why one of the most important people in the country we have locked up was guarded by people plucked out of Mayberry PD 🙄
Lol, this. I honestly don't know how you can call a post like this a "conspiracy theory." When you consider the fact that it's possible, and perhaps probable given his confines, that a drop hanging wasn't feasible, the broken bones are an investigative avenue, not a fucking "conspiracy theory." Is it a "conspiracy theory" when a homicide detective pursues a lead based on circumstantial evidence? No, it's just a lead based on circumstantial evidence.
You realize this happens often right? If that's the case that he was trying to kill himself and the guards were paid off to look the other way, who do you think paid them? How could they possibly know Jeffrey actually wanted to kill himself?
I'm sorry you don't like the implication but this is new information available to the public on the state of Epstein's body that is inconsistent with the SPECULATION by some in this thread and the last that he was found in a prone pose, like many jailhouse hangings. I didn't make that SPECULATION. I'm just pointing out the way this NEW INFORMATION changes the reception of that SPECULATION.
K what we do know is the official cause of death was suicide by hanging which lead to cardiac arrest.
a broken hyoid being more common in homicides than suicides doesn't suddenly make homicide the most likely explanation for what happened. that's not how that works.
anyway
In fact, I haven't even said a drop hanging is impossible. My first post in this thread is specifically asking whether tie-off points would be available to use for drop hanging, because I honestly don't know.
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whether he killed himself or not it's stuff like this that will forever muddy the waters and make it impossible to have a definitive answer. rather annoying really.
The man is a millionaire pedophile about to go to trial, the very first thing officials should have done was made sure he didn't take his own life. Bare minimum
I know you're being sarcastic but no one mentioned Clinton or trump in here.
You said flat out in your original post that you can make all the rope you want but 1 person wouldn't be able to hang it by themselves. Yes you did directly imply foul play.
Nope waters aren't muddied we have medical experts and epsteins own people who have looked into it. It was a suicide.
I agree, but incompetence happens, which is why suicides happen in jail all too often, suicide watch or not.
Actually it's about 10% for inmates under suicide watch. I'd say that's a not insignificant number
"Highly suspicious circumstances" does not equal "conspiracy theory", guys. Also, just because 99% of conspiracy theories are wack, doesn't mean there aren't some genuine conspiracies.
I did not say any such thing. I said
The above has nothing at all to do with the number of people in the cell. Stop misrepresenting my posts.
Of course it happens but for such a high profile case? I feel like they could have housed him in a facility that could have met these demands of what was needed better. It doesn't have to be paid off guards as a conspiracy, they should have had him in a prison that could handle a high profile case.
He shouldn't have been in a prison where "lack of resources" or "stretched thin resources" could ever be used as an excuse at the end of the investigation. But I'm afraid that's what we will read.
Do we know what he hung himself with? I imagine people that have been on suicide watch don't have belts and etc. in their cells. His bed sheets?
Ok again this is incompetence not conspiracy and I agree, it's extremely unfortunate it happened. It doesn't require people being paid off or hitmen incompetence happens every day.
Misread that my bad.
It seems to me that, for a lot of people, the real tragedy of the whole Epstein saga is that it will encourage more people to mistrust powerful and oppressive institutions.
People just incredibly desperate to get the billionaire pedophilia ring out of the news cycle for fear that more recognizable and previously "respected" names might pop up if it lingers. It's a real hard standpoint to muster up any respect for.
People just incredibly desperate to get the billionaire pedophilia ring out of the news cycle for fear that more recognizable and previously "respected" names might pop up if it lingers. It's a real hard standpoint to muster up any respect for.
No, not really, which is why the real conspiracy nuts are now speculating that Epstein is currently alive and doing plastic surgery in Argentina or whatever.
Accounting for his political connections, physical evidence, circumstantial evidence, and future investigative ramifications - to seriously consider an Epstein political killing is not fucking Area 51.
I for one think it's a denial of common sense to reject the possibility.
I for one think it's a denial of common sense to reject the possibility.
But c'mon, is there really a difference between "real conspiracy nuts" and regular 'ole conspiracy nuts? It seems like this is one of those things you're either all the way in, or not at all....
No one denies the possibility. People are saying there's a) no evidence and b) currently no information we have that requires any explanation beyond regular old prison suicide.
Sure, I won't reject the possibility but to say its definitely murder with just circumstantial (at best) evidence goes too far.
Every conspiracy has a different angle. What you just said is just one of the angles.
9/11 was a hoax with holographic projections of planes vs. the planes were landed passengers evacuated and planes remotely flown into the building, vs. a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, so on and so forth
Jfk was killed by the mob, JFK was killed by the government, there was a 2nd shooter, jfk is alive with Elvis, etc.
Now Epstein was murdered by trump to cover up his connections, Epstein was murdered by the Clinton's to cover their connections, Epstein was murdered by the russians... Why? Epstein is alive on an island somewhere.
The news that the broken bones are consistent with an older person committing suicide by hanging?
Love how the second this guy was arrested people were speculating he'd be bumped off, we fully accept that people and journalists are murdered by leaders of other countries like Russia and North Korea, the circumstances of Epstein's death are suspect as fuck... But we're crazy for thinking powerful people in the US having something to do with this isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
And I bet the majority of the people in here who won't even question this possibility were fully on board with the Russian election rigging 'conspiracy'.
And I bet the majority of the people in here who won't even question this possibility were fully on board with the Russian election rigging 'conspiracy'.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that unless evidence is found to support them proper, then they just keep growing or they enable more outlandish theories to enter the zeitgeist. I know era probably doesn't understand why conspiracy theories are unhealthy, but as a young pot smoker they consumed me in a weird state of distrusting everything and it's a rabbit hole mostly created by right wing nut jobs to recruit young naive believers. There are certainly reasons why other powerful people would want Epstein dead, but without the evidence, it means they remain in the shadows. Without proof or names of his cohorts, there is no discussion to be had. It's just going to lead to people stretching the "evidence" to match their beliefs or to make headlines. By all means, believe something could be, but don't sit there on a high horse of nothing while you do it and don't accept your beliefs as cold hard truth.
On ERA we can post about how Trump is involved in every crime under the sun no matter how many times it is never proven but for some reason questioning the death of Epstein when cell mate was removed from cell and not replaced which is apparently against protocol, guards were sleeping, records were falsified, etc... is off limits.
And no I'm not defending Trump. Just wondering where we draw the line.
Also reading that the last time they had a suicide there was 21 years ago, so people can't act like this is common. It also happened the day after documents were unsealed.
It's expected that people would have questions.
And no I'm not defending Trump. Just wondering where we draw the line.
Also reading that the last time they had a suicide there was 21 years ago, so people can't act like this is common. It also happened the day after documents were unsealed.
It's expected that people would have questions.
Not true. I run across this sentiment a bit:
murder and suicide are both a possibility based on everything we know at this point but that's too boring for some folks. gotta pick one and go wild with it.
This. Ultimately the autopsy proves nothing. You got a nearly 70 year old man with breaks consistent with suicide for his age, but also consistent with murder.
So literally nothing. People need to follow the evidence, not for evidence to back up their beliefs or "gut".
At this point I do wonder if people strongly believing it's a suicide have that same conspiratorial gene of refusing all evidence of reality, but apply it toward assuming powerful people don't do bad things in secret.
The case for suicide was tieing a bedsheet to a bed post and leaning forward. It sounds increadibly difficult to build up the momentium required to outright break bones in that setup, even the easier bones to break.
The case for suicide was tieing a bedsheet to a bed post and leaning forward. It sounds increadibly difficult to build up the momentium required to outright break bones in that setup, even the easier bones to break.
No, but then again that's not really what i implied.
Actual conspiracy nuts thinks he is alive in Argentina, while people with a bit more common sense are having their bullshit detectors go off when they hear about all the details about this death. Not the same thing at all.