On Facebook alone:
The scale is just massive.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
WaPo: Facebook, Twitter disable sprawling inauthentic operation that used AI to make fake faces (and promote Trump)
- Thread starter WedgeX
- Start date
On Facebook alone:
The scale is just massive.
Jesus Christ. Why the fuck don't these social media companies fucking secure their APIs and have strong verification rules to utilize it. That would help destroy a lot of this shit in one felt swoop. Having a lax API setup has been one of the major things that's an issue with social media, and also actually much better scripting.
Yeah, they (justifiably) hate the Chinese government and think Trump is their ally in that regard.
That's been well established at this point. Yes.
Trump openly challenges the CCP, so they like him quite a bit.
This could be a mercenary operation promoting different interests, doesn't have to be ideologically driven - in fact, most of these things aren't.
OP
OP
I know very little about the technology. But it feels like it should be an integral part. Hell, you couldn't even join Facebook in its early days without being a verified person through a university.
House of cards, they do that and Twitter would probably lost at least half their user account.
Authentication data is data, people in the other thread were asking what kind of idiot would give Facebook phone numbers. Facebook is actually pretty aggressive on this front but understandably you might not have made an account recently. Even still you can cheat it and realistically you shouldn't want social media companies to have lots of data about you so there are trade-offs.
Are millions of voters really dumb enough to be swayed by all this botting shit?
Don't most people have their minds made up already on their politics?
What does this stuff do besides just double down on everyone's beliefs? Or is the idea to prevent people from changing their minds?
Don't most people have their minds made up already on their politics?
What does this stuff do besides just double down on everyone's beliefs? Or is the idea to prevent people from changing their minds?
A barrage of fake accounts is just one facet, they also spread misinformation about how liberals want to poison your dog or something and voting GOP is the only way to save your child from turning gay. The effect is to harden their resolve and make any attempt at vote-switching in the face of monstrous atrocities by the incumbent impossible.
it 100% will be. Trump has the power of the presidency, a corrupt AG, corrupt Senate and a propaganda network all behind him.
OP
OP
Absolutely. Propaganda has already helped harden the public against impeachment and public health insurance. People in general are incredibly susceptible to advertising, and this is confirmation bias on top of everything else.
My theory is that it doesn't change minds, but it motivates people. It reinforces their beliefs, and gives them more energy, leading to a higher likelihood that they will show up and vote. Most of the voting population doesn't vote, so it turns into a game of getting people to turn out. A constant slew of engagement in the run-up to election day undoubtedly plays a role in the numbers game.
Deepfakes are gonna get people killed. Fake a video of someone in a passionate affair, send it to their highly-jealous SO, and you've got a potential murder on your hands.
just cancel the Internet, fuck all this.
just wait til MAAI (predictive multi agent AI) operations really start manipulating us, no going back from that..
just wait til MAAI (predictive multi agent AI) operations really start manipulating us, no going back from that..
Yes, and going further than that, we may just have progressively bigger shitshow elections due to all of these technologies coming out
For someone who declares "Fake News", Trump sure surrounds himself with a lot of fakery.
If anyone wants the research papers that came with the investigation and the conclusion of this look no further:
#OperationFFS: Fake Face Swarm, A Joint Report by Graphika & the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensics Research Lab
If anyone wants the research papers that came with the investigation and the conclusion of this look no further:
#OperationFFS: Fake Face Swarm, A Joint Report by Graphika & the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensics Research Lab
potential? it will be orders of magnitude worse. its my opinion we havent seen trumps final act - akin to Kefka from ff6 i expect him to erect a giant laser tower somewhere. its gonna be horrible
Need to tie accounts to some kind of unique personal biometric or data that prevents fake accounts and holds people accountable for their contentb on social media. No fake amounts, no bots. Perhaps like an internet ID system needed to use social media. Regulation needs to happen quickly. Our laws and our social constructs haven't adapted to how bad actors are using social media. We need to teach children how to become better skeptics to fight internet disinformation campaigns. I wish we could just regulate Facebook into nonexistence. It's perhaps the most harmful thing to come so far from the internet.
I often wonder how deep the bot hole goes on twitter and facebook.
I see so many accounts that clearly have a fake photo and copy-pasted bio, that do respond to people (often claiming they're not bots, ah-hah) and don't just re-share links. I sometimes wonder if chatbots have gotten that sophisticated.
I see so many accounts that clearly have a fake photo and copy-pasted bio, that do respond to people (often claiming they're not bots, ah-hah) and don't just re-share links. I sometimes wonder if chatbots have gotten that sophisticated.
It absolutely changes minds. Multiple members of my family who were politically indifferent or lightly liberal became extreme, rabid Trump supporters because of bullshit posted on facebook. Even otherwise intelligent people. Its fucking baffling.
you give up the 55 million account group to keep the 100+ million group going
I think this too. I know why the companies wouldn't want to do this, but even with a free sign-up social media accounts should require proof of ID. My only worry is obviously then these scumbag companies have access to all that info, so I don't know the ins and outs. But if you needed proof of ID it would help with the fake accounts and bots and also posting illegal content, kids access etc.
They've had far too long making billions from making the world a worse place.
I read somewhere that sometimes the people most vulnerable to radicalization are those who have never been exposed to its rhetoric at all. They don't comprehend the twisted logic.
I suspect this is why we see the repeated pattern of people who were "neutral" to politics becoming monsters overnight. They have no filters against being manipulated even if they are reasonably intelligent in other areas.
OP
OP
There is definitely a power to inoculation against rhetoric. Like I was educated in high school on the ways that some preachers try and sway their followers - and when I actually saw those methods in practice later on in life I could easily say that shit was crazy. But people around me who hadn't learned the same fell for it. And once they fell for it, even my explanation had no effect because it took place after exposure.
So we need to educate people who are not otherwise engaged early and often.
They will carry the torch for anyone openly hostile towards China's government. Falun Gong have been campaigning against China ever since the CCP started what was basically an attempted genocide on what is basically a spiritual movement. Regardless of their methods and beliefs, they never actually deserved or provoked the horrific shit China did to the spiritual movement and the people practicing it.
They're not MAGA bros, they're just supportive of anyone who wants to undermine China.
Last edited:
Sounds like they used this to some extent https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com/ ?
For the unaware: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/...ple-portraits-thispersondoesnotexist-stylegan
For the unaware: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/...ple-portraits-thispersondoesnotexist-stylegan
Yep. And those Shen Yun performances you see advertised all over right now? That's them, too.
The lede is the scale of the operation and the worldwide exposure of people to disinformation (with Facebook obfuscating the exposure of American citizens).
But everybody gets hung up on the Falun Gong reference... smh.
But everybody gets hung up on the Falun Gong reference... smh.