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WaPo has reported that Charles Koch along with a person named Brian Hooks has founded a new "Stand Together" organization which is a rebranding of an existing organization that is focused on 5 priorities (Empower everyone to find fulfilling work. Help neighbors beat poverty and addiction. Ensure excellent education for every person. Build a stronger economy that works for all. Bridge divides and build respect for one another) and that they want to build up trust with Democrats (with Hooks telling WaPo that there is a "willingness" among Democrats to "engage" with Hooks and Koch) and work with both Democrats and Republicans on the 5 priorities: https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?e=a3Muc3dlZWxleUBnbWFpbC5jb20=&s=5ce2b7e1fe1ff666ca120c29

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A redesigned Web page highlights some of the groups supported by Stand Together, including the Phoenix, which helps recovering addicts. (Stand Together)

THE BIG IDEA: The Koch network is getting a new name to reflect its shifting strategy.

The Seminar Network, which includes the constellation of groups funded by the billionaire industrialist Charles Koch and around 700 like-minded conservatives and libertarians who contribute at least $100,000 annually, will now operate as Stand Together.

That has been the name of a nonprofit arm that the Koch apparatus created three years ago to support community groups addressing maladies like poverty, addiction, recidivism, gang violence and homelessness. That effort, which is providing grants to 140 organizations this year, will continue as the Stand Together Foundation.

Freedom Partners, an entity that was once used to air campaign commercials, will cease to exist. Americans for Prosperity will now oversee all political and policy efforts. Groups that cater to specific constituencies, like Libre for Latinos or Concerned Veterans for America, have moved under the AFP umbrella.

"We live in a period of unprecedented progress — economic, social, technological — but not everyone has shared in that progress. While many people have gotten ahead, too many people are falling behind. Our charge is clear: we must stand together to help every person rise," Koch writes in a letter that will go to supporters later today and that was shared first with The Washington Post. "In many ways, this new name already expresses who we are. … But this new name also marks a new chapter – and a new call to action."

-- Today's announcement puts meat on the bones of what Koch outlined in broad strokes at the January gathering of his supporters outside Palm Springs, Calif. Uneasy with President Trump and the Republican Party's drift toward nativism, protectionism and populism, the 83-year-old signaled a turn away from partisan politics to focus more on goals that cut across ideologies. Koch has also described himself as less interested in electoral politics than his brother David, who was the Libertarian Party's nominee for vice president in 1980 and who stepped away from the network last year because of ailing health. This is also happening against the backdrop of growing hostility on the right toward billionaires and the business community. These forces have led other entities, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to also disentangle their brands from the GOP.

-- Brian Hooks, who has chaired the network and will continue to lead the new Stand Together organization on a day-to-day basis, was adamant during a lengthy interview that this is "not a branding exercise" for marketing purposes but reflects a "natural evolution."

"For too many years, we've let people define us. Going forward, we're going to define ourselves," he said at his office in Arlington, Va. "This is really about helping to better define who we are. It's a reflection of who we've become."

-- Koch and Hooks identify these as their five top priorities going forward: Empower everyone to find fulfilling work. Help neighbors beat poverty and addiction. Ensure excellent education for every person. Build a stronger economy that works for all. Bridge divides and build respect for one another.

-- A totally redesigned website went live this morning. "Greater your good" is the group's new slogan, and it may be the catchphrase of a forthcoming ad campaign. "That's the promise made between us and our incredible partners who are dedicated to the betterment of themselves and others," Koch writes in his letter, which Hooks co-signed. "This requires that we do much more – helping social entrepreneurs increase their effectiveness by orders of magnitude. It means living by the lessons we've learned from our own experience, from that of our partners, and from movements throughout history that have benefitted millions of people: Empower those closest to the problems, to help solve them. Progress comes when millions of people get engaged: bottom up, not top down. … Unite with anyone, despite our differences, to unleash the potential in everyone."

-- Sitting out the 2016 presidential election, Koch strongly criticized Trump – and the GOP nominee responded in kind. The Trump administration, populated with several former Koch lieutenants, has done a lot that he likes, especially the 2017 tax cuts, deregulation and the confirmation of judges. But Koch concluded that many of the congressional Republicans who have benefited from the network's spending over the past decade took their support for granted. As a result, the Koch groups became much more selective about which candidates they backed in the 2018 midterms. The result of all this is that the biannual get-togethers have become less overtly political since Trump's takeover of the GOP. Dozens of elected Republicans used to fly in. In January, only three were invited: Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse and Utah Sen. Mike Lee.

-- To be sure, Koch and his groups are not getting out of politics. They're just trying to engage more effectively. "You can't ask anybody about politics and not find somebody who is frustrated," said Hooks. "Everybody is frustrated about politics. The general answer to that frustration that we've heard usually takes two forms. One is, 'I'm done with it. I'm going to walk away.' The other is, 'Well, I'm not sure what to do so I'll just double down on it.' Neither of those are acceptable. You can't walk away from politics because policy matters too much, and, if you want to change the policy, you've got to be engaged in politics. But if you double down, it's the definition of insanity, right? Doing the same thing and expecting something different.

"So we've rejected both of those," he added. "We're not going to continue to do the same thing that we've done, and we're not going to walk away. What we're committed to doing is offering people a different way to stay engaged in policy and in politics but to do it in a way that unites people to actually get things done."

-- Criminal justice is the model. Liberal activist Van Jones protested outside the Koch donor conference in 2011, but he was the poster boy of the session in January. Jones worked closely with Koch Industries general counsel Mark Holden to push the First Step Act, a sweeping overhaul of the criminal justice system that Trump signed into law during the lame-duck session.

Hooks said they'll keep searching for nontraditional, unexpected partners. Koch-backed groups have been partnering with liberal entities on everything from protecting the "dreamers" to accelerating the end of the war in Afghanistan. "It's not just Van Jones, but I'll tell you what: It does take some risk takers like Van Jones to say, 'Hey, this stuff works,'" Hooks explained. "In a sense, all of us have had to make a choice, right? What do we care more about? Do we care more about helping people to actually break barriers or some of these old attachments? I think more and more people are making the right choice on that."

-- Koch remains a boogeyman to the left, of course, as well as an occasional punching bag of the president. Several Democratic presidential candidates mention "the Koch brothers" in their stump speeches, including top-tier contenders like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Hooks acknowledges that. He declined to detail private conversations but said he and his team have been in touch with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. "We're talking to more people than we've ever talked to," he said. "We haven't totally built that trust yet [with Democrats], but there's a willingness to engage."

-- Stand Together, the new entity, still plans to stay out of the presidential race in 2020, and, unlike in the past, there is no public target for spending on policy and politics in the coming election cycle. I asked Hooks how they're going to deal with liberal ideas that have been gaining traction, such as Warren's proposed wealth tax of 2 percent a year on all incomes over $50 million, Sanders's Medicare-for-all plan or Andrew Yang's advocacy for a universal basic income.

"It's not as though we don't care about those issues. We do. We just want to be effective in how we engage on them," Hooks said. "I think the best way to challenge a bad idea is with a good idea. In the absence of good ideas, people are prone to gravitate towards bad ideas – even ideas that have been proven failures for decades every time they've been tried. None of these are new ideas. We'll continue to make the case for what we see as the best policy in every arena where that case needs to be made, but ultimately there's a real problem that people are concerned about, and we think the best way to address that is by offering an actionable alternative. That's what this future initiative does."
 

klonere

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This just reads like a completely uncritical re-printing of a press release to me but v0v
 

Powdered Egg

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So the Kochs are our Russian oligarchs, funding both sides of the battle? Lol like what's the catch?? Where's the fine print Charles?
 

Damerman

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this is bullshit. I'm sorry, but I'm not for this. engaging "liberals" like Schummer and DNC chair? fuck outa here.

its Bernie sanders time... AOC time. this is a reaction to democratic socialism.
 

DigitalOp

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This is like fucking devil saying he wants to come together to help everyone find jobs, establish universal health Care, and make the world a better place...

Is he really done being a dick and wants to do greater good?

Or does this have a catch and tricks are for kids?
 

Protein

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Yeah, they know they're fucked if the Democratic party keeps Left. They need it to have have a strong centrist root.
 

VariantX

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Not interested in working with the GOP as they've been solely the ones fucking everything up and trying to drag us back into a second gilded age.
 

LegendofJoe

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The wealthy people funding the GOP are afraid they've created a monster they can no longer control. If they've genuinely seen the light and fear what Trump represents I welcome working with them on issues of agreement.
 
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I am curious with who Charles Koch and Brian Hooks are talking to on the Democratic side so at least there's names of the Democrats out there publicly of people who should be monitored to see what they do since Koch and Hooks are talking to them:

-- Koch remains a boogeyman to the left, of course, as well as an occasional punching bag of the president. Several Democratic presidential candidates mention "the Koch brothers" in their stump speeches, including top-tier contenders like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Hooks acknowledges that. He declined to detail private conversations but said he and his team have been in touch with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. "We're talking to more people than we've ever talked to," he said. "We haven't totally built that trust yet [with Democrats], but there's a willingness to engage."
 

thefit

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The rich are spooked. They know the curtain has been pulled back. Their magnificent DOWJones numbers and "great" economy isn't materializing for everyday folk. For the first time in a long time people want a new leader and equal wealth distribution for all despite the economy.
 

Stinkles

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The wealthy people funding the GOP are afraid they've created a monster they can no longer control. If they've genuinely seen the light and fear what Trump represents I welcome working with them on issues of agreement.



I am starting to winder if the "think tanks" have thought this through. You really think that a Bible-focused apartheid country with its army and infrastructure deteriorating in real time, its geopolitics pushing Russia up, Europe down and potentially endless conflict in the middle east and nuclear brinksmanship with China and NK, with race riots, underemployment and collapsing retail, manufacturing and agricultural industries is the country you wish to be a billionaire in? Let's throw in the worst healthcare economics on earth and plummeting educational outloook.

<squints eyes>

Yup! That's Libertopia!
 

zma1013

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"Empower everyone to find fulfilling work. Help neighbors beat poverty and addiction. Ensure excellent education for every person. Build a stronger economy that works for all. Bridge divides and build respect for one another"

Isn't this the antithesis of Republican political values though?
 

Mr. X

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They trying to get ahead of the "tax the rich" and "money out of politics" priorities.
 

LegendofJoe

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I am starting to winder if the "think tanks" have thought this through. You really think that a Bible-focused apartheid country with its army and infrastructure deteriorating in real time, its geopolitics pushing Russia up, Europe down and potentially endless conflict in the middle east and nuclear brinksmanship with China and NK, with race riots, underemployment and collapsing retail, manufacturing and agricultural industries is the country you wish to be a billionaire in? Let's throw in the worst healthcare economics on earth and plummeting educational outloook.

<squints eyes>

Yup! That's Libertopia!

You've spelled out how the US will break apart. I really hope the think tanks have done the math and concluded the same.
 

5taquitos

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"Empower everyone to find fulfilling work. Help neighbors beat poverty and addiction. Ensure excellent education for every person. Build a stronger economy that works for all. Bridge divides and build respect for one another"

Isn't this the antithesis of Republican political values though?
It's just sugarcoating the usual stuff:
1) Jobs. Both parties shout this from the rooftops.
2) War on Drugs.
3) Charter schools.
4) Tax cuts.
5) Civility.
 
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The rich are spooked. They know the curtain has been pulled back. Their magnificent DOWJones numbers and "great" economy isn't materializing for everyday folk. For the first time in a long time people want a new leader and equal wealth distribution for all despite the economy.
I don't know why they're spooked, no one is gonna a damn thing to them.
 

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Fuck this Trojan horse. This is a reaction to the rise of populism, on both the left and the right. The Koch's started a monster, with the Tea Party, which has grown out of their control. It is now a fascist movement, characterized by nationalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, and Judeo-Christian fundamentalism. It is anti-immigrant. It is anti-globalism. On the left, the future is socialism, as younger voters don't have the Cold war stigma against it, and as they face diminished opportunities, crippling debt, and a social safety net that has been gutted by the billionaire class.

Neither outcome is ideal for the Koch brothers, so now they (and people like Howard Schultz) will come in as the moderate voices of "reason". They would probably prefer a Joe Biden to a Trump, honestly, as the former represents the status quo. We shouldn't allow these ghouls to deter us from moving left. These are the same people who are responsible for the current state of the US. Fuck them.

I am starting to winder if the "think tanks" have thought this through. You really think that a Bible-focused apartheid country with its army and infrastructure deteriorating in real time, its geopolitics pushing Russia up, Europe down and potentially endless conflict in the middle east and nuclear brinksmanship with China and NK, with race riots, underemployment and collapsing retail, manufacturing and agricultural industries is the country you wish to be a billionaire in? Let's throw in the worst healthcare economics on earth and plummeting educational outloook.

But we already tried to tell them this, right? If you want to be a billionaire in a functioning Western country then you have to pay a proportionate share of taxes. Since the Reagan days the Kochs and their ilk have corrupted the entire system and starved the government, fucked the middle class by forcing them to bear a larger share of the tax burden, at the same time incomes for most Americans have remained stagnant.

Being a billionaire in a third-world country where institutions are increasingly unstable is likely uncomfortable. But it didn't take a rocket scientist to predict this outcome.
 
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Here's the Stand Together organization website: https://standtogether.org/

The organization claims that they are there to assist "social entrepreneurs" and that "the only way" progress can be made socially is from the "bottom up, not top down."

Here's the page for the priority of "Bridge divides and build respect for one another": https://standtogether.org/stories/bridge-divides-and-build-respect-for-one-another

Here's some statistics listed which the blame for this can be put on the Republicans and the wealthy:

The Challenge By The Numbers

48% of Americans don't trust their neighbors.
67% of Americans are exhausted by divisions.
1-in-2 Americans report feeling alone and socially isolated.
 

mael

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The fuckers at the inception of the Tea Party?
I would rather go Drogon on their asses than have them anywhere near any position of power.
 

TarNaru33

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Is this fear I smell?

Seriously, this reads as them reacting to the chance that a more liberal focus on wealth inequality getting the masses in an uproar against them. The intentions here is to try to grab all the centrist/moderates and turn them away from liberals/leftists before it gets out of hand. Unfortunately, if Biden do indeed win the primary, then the Koch brothers basically accomplished their goal. At least for 4-8 years.

This is a very good play, especially since the average American eats up that naive "come together" bullshit and they know it. This is what happens when the public is largely not engaged in governance or politics except a couple months out from the presidential election.
 

Slayven

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How do they want to bridge the difference between folks wanting to call me a nigger, and I not wanting to be called a nigger?
 

Powdered Egg

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I don't know why they're spooked, no one is gonna a damn thing to them.
It really hurts their self esteem if their net worth takes a hit. The guillotine will never come in America (white citizens will always protect them from violence) so they don't fear that as much as networth plummeting. They would rather kill
half the planet before facing the potential embarrassment of being reduced to double digit millionaires.
 

Stinkles

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You're inciting them to be racist by being in their cone of vision.

I'm an amateur ophthalmologist and an armed white security guard and we call that the West African Exotic Twitch Muscle Cone of Dehumanization.



Zammo has a cheek. Dude is absolutely roided out and pumping with HGH. Has the effrontery to tell a tall albino thug just working the gym corners trying to put food on the table.


Besides everyone knows Ro-Land was the one supplying the streets with the most pure shit.
 
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Really sounds like they are setting up for future Dem control so that they can claim that any Dem act is partisan despite them doing exactly that right now
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Don't believe the lies of the rich. They will "stand with you" one moment and stab you in the back the next.

Unchecked, bad-faith opportunism is the underpinning of and fuel for all the world's ails.
 

Dartastic

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I've got a better idea for the Kochs.
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Don Fluffles

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What's this? A centrist initiative orchestrated in part by one of the guys responsible for funding the tea party?


I need hard results that this is what it says it is.
 

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"Empower everyone to find fulfilling work. Help neighbors beat poverty and addiction. Ensure excellent education for every person. Build a stronger economy that works for all. Bridge divides and build respect for one another"

Isn't this the antithesis of Republican political values though?

Translations:
1. Cut benefits to force the worst-off to work
2. Mandatory drug testing and work-for-welfare
3. School vouchers
4. Tax cuts for the rich and big business
5. Don't call racists racists