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(WaPo) Biden says Trump is America’s first ‘racist’ president
- Thread starter Mark
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I'm still voting for the guy, but fuck him and everyone that put us in the position where those are our only two options.
Uhh,,, modern openly racist? Maybe? lol
Certainly the first in a long time that's been this brazen when confronted about it
Joe Biden is an idiot. Trump is America's first racist president and not, you know, the ones who literally owned slaves, or the ones who committed genocide against indigenous Americans? That's just scratching the surface, too, of the acts of racism by the men who have served in that office.
Shit, Joe Biden's entire candidacy is catnip for the white moderate suburbanites who want to pretend that Trump is the problem and not the system itself. His campaign needs to put him in a goddamn BOX until Election Day.
Shit, Joe Biden's entire candidacy is catnip for the white moderate suburbanites who want to pretend that Trump is the problem and not the system itself. His campaign needs to put him in a goddamn BOX until Election Day.
If Biden's attempting to reference Coates's "First White President" then I don't think he messed up, I think he's bending to try to reference it without explicitly calling out white America. Because white America would rake him over the coals for it, and it'd risk whatever gains he's been trying to make with moderate Repubs over the last couple months.
Because white moderate America's just that fucking dumb.
Because white moderate America's just that fucking dumb.
I mean, Biden clearly wrong here but fuck it. I'll allow it as long as a reporter asks Trump to respond and it creates yet another dumbass Trump soundbyte.
That's probably the most generous way I could see it being intended. I'm sure we'll get a clarification.
I'm so tired of this line of thinking. "If you think x is bad, then y is much worse." You're trying to shutout any legitimate criticism of a person. Quit it, man. This has been repeated by so many on Era.
^^^^^
Also please stop letting Biden speak he's clearly one of the worst candidates to be discussing racial issues within our country given his record.
Don't give Trump more ammo when he's too busy hanging himself.
No one is stopping you from making criticism you want to make.
Responding to criticism with a statement that is difficult to refute isn't shutting out the criticism.
What part of me calling it an obviously dumb statement did you miss?
What is the point of pointing out that it's factually incorrect? Everyone knows that it is. It was an obviously dumb statement.
Like I said, the real takeaway here is that Biden is openly and unambiguously calling Trump racist.
Deadass. It's so weird to see people trying to "fix" this and fail miserably.
It is incredibly generous and it's only really because he's openly acknowledged that Trump isn't a one-off aberration. But at the same time he also clearly subscribes to the idea that there's good honest Republicans that can be reasoned with, which, y'know, yeah.
If anything I can see a lot of the moderate crowd buy into this line, which only highlights how much conservatives dictate what is remembered in American history and how.
The problem is that this argument isn't productive at the current time because of how national elections work. It sows division, equivocates flaws in both candidates instead of contrasting the greater good, and ultimately leads to depressed enthusiasm. In an election system where ranked choice voting is the norm, that would all be fine – encouraged, even. But we have a system in which criticism has to come at a time after in which the greater evil is cast away, at least for a short amount of time.
Fix the election system. Then we can pile on people like Biden for making stupid comments that help no one.
Even LBJ with his domestic progress was pretty fucking racist in public.
Then there's Andrew Jackson who basically went on a crusade to kill Native Americans.
not defending the statement or it's phrasing but we're all living the context. It's clumsy and easily dismantled but he's effectively saying it in the "first movie star president " sense that it's his primary appeal and policy.
He's well aware of bushes, Reagan, Clinton lawmaking and adventurism - let alone the Jacksons and LBJs and so on. None of them ran on it nakedly or exclusively.
Trump is about as close to admitting it and using the n-word as we're ever likely to see in our lifetime. I sometimes wonder if he'll get desperate enough to move to regular whistles since he's already using human audible frequencies.
If he thought there was a nickel or a vote in it on balance he'd already be there.
He's well aware of bushes, Reagan, Clinton lawmaking and adventurism - let alone the Jacksons and LBJs and so on. None of them ran on it nakedly or exclusively.
Trump is about as close to admitting it and using the n-word as we're ever likely to see in our lifetime. I sometimes wonder if he'll get desperate enough to move to regular whistles since he's already using human audible frequencies.
If he thought there was a nickel or a vote in it on balance he'd already be there.
You're literally saying we shouldn't criticize him at all even if the goal is to make him a better candidate. Wild.
Anything that makes Trump look worst than anything before him is what's important. Throw the fucking kitchen sink at that mofo.
Clearly and obviously false.
But I feel like we should be focusing more on the fact that he straight up called him racist, which is is fairly unheard of for a presidential candidate to call another.
But I feel like we should be focusing more on the fact that he straight up called him racist, which is is fairly unheard of for a presidential candidate to call another.
For years I have been misreading what Wilson said about Birth of a Nation. For some reason I'd always thought he'd lamented the film's impact, and it was only relatively recently that I'd re-read the quote and realized how fucking wrong I'd gotten it, lol. I don't even know how I'd ever read it any other way, looking back.
Just call him a racist, Joe. No need to frame him dramatically in a way that he already frames himself.
This isn't true by almost any measure (Wilson revived the KKK!) but I get Biden's play. It gives a sect of Republicans cover to say "it's not *me* it's Trump, I can maybe vote D just this one time."
In fact, this may even be aimed more at the donor class, than rank and file voters.
In fact, this may even be aimed more at the donor class, than rank and file voters.
I don't believe I said that at all. I'm arguing that trying to attempt to make equivalencies between a statement like this and the actively destructive political force in power right now is potentially damaging. Call him out for it, yes. Throwing your hands up and saying "welp, guess we'll die," because of your discontent isn't productive.
